Date:   5/18/2008 6:21:42 AM ( 17 y ago)
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relativity? that's einstein would you say? i believe that's in most people's thinking. i only spoke of him in respect of your 'subject'.
for him to think that "God is childish superstition" is unnecessary unless he also concludes that "spirituality" does not exist, (not i must add in religious terms) but in one's "psyche".
he cannot prove that god does not exist as much as one cannot prove that god does.
so in that sense it matters not what conclusions he draws and for that matter what anybody else draws, only what one draws them self.
i also know that the conclusion i draw personally will in no way convince you karlin or anyone for that matter that the way i 'see' god that will make one iota of difference to the conclusions that you draw.
for me to find 'god' was a lifetimes experience perhaps drawn firstly from childhood observations, limited religious lessons at school, people attending churches, etc. religion was for those that chose it or made to attend it's calling. i never, but it did not prevent me from peeking into a bible from time to time just out of interest.
in fact it taught me only that there was goodness in this world and even that was rejected unless one conformed to a certain religious dogma and i was not going to be any part of that.
so what was left for one to take from the bible? jesus? he was rejected not only by the 'politics' of the day but also by his closest friends, his disciples! as i grew i thought this is beginning to sound just a bit iffy.
trying not to be blasphemous but was the bible making this man to be a martyr or was the man's beliefs only his of how he understood god?
was his 'son of god' proclamation to the hierarchy true? i believe only in the sense of his spirituality.
the parts of the bible that i had read was beginning to fall apart. the stories that were written had happened in many cases but not the way that the scribes had portrayed them. Science is beginning to unfold perhaps the truth.
so what had the good book shown me?
what message/belief can i take from it?
did jesus or god even exist?
did it matter whether i believed it or not?
i knew that if one has love, one needs not to be threatened by things like the hell and damnation in it's pages.
so karlin religion itself was out.
god? yes, spiritually!
was he the 'creator'? well yes, through man, spiritually!
jesus, the son of god? yes, spiritually!


[[[But no - what the idea of "God" is to religious people is that guy in the sky who determines all that occurs on earth [and the universe]... a God who we can pray to and petition for help... a God that can be displeased at our sins... a God, you know, THE GOD.]]]

i don't believe that karlin.


so that leaves me to determine god. what god is to me.
well my only conclusion i have karlin is that it's my spirituality, part of my 'phyche', anything beyond that would be 'idealism'.
i reach my "spirituality" through prayer my friend. i don't know how that works, but i know it does. tomi.









 

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