Date:   3/23/2008 10:53:57 AM ( 16 y ago)
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I'm glad that you're happy with your purchase. I first heard of Mr. Ellis' machine in Popular Science and thought that the claims he made were so outrageous that I wanted to investigate them further.
I've read many of the posts in this rather lengthy thread, and for those who say that the machine makes the best tasting water they've ever had, I'd say they've found the limit of what the machine will actually do. It is an expensive water distiller. All of the other 'medical' and 'scientific' claims that Mr. Ellis makes are pretty much absurd. His machine changes the bond angle of water? Garbage. And a change in water's bond angle has caused an increase in cancer? What if I were to tell you that an increase in the force of gravity has caused the obesity epidemic we currently see? Sounds absurd, doesn't it?
You say that the people who are attacking Mr. Ellis don't give proof that his machine doesn't work. I'm sorry, but that is a logical fallacy. If someone makes a claim for a positive, they have to satisfy the burden of proof, not the other way around.
If people read the patents that Mr. Ellis has been granted, they will see they are all for a device that is basically a water distiller, with applications for making better tasting tea, coffee, soup, etc. He doesn't claim any of the 'medical' benefits. One respondent to the thread says that Mr. Ellis doesn't include these claims because he wants to keep them proprietary. Or perhaps he knows that they would be rejected by the USPTO. I don't doubt his machine works well as a distiller - the techniques described in his patent are valid for that application, and we have commercial grade distillers in some of our labs that use similar techniques (esp. the UV filter part).
I'm not calling the people who claim benefits from using this device liars. I don't doubt they feel better. However, the placebo effect and the power of positive thinking cannot be dismissed as contributing factors. Faith is a powerful thing - whether faith in a $1700 machine or in their own particular God or goddess. If this machine makes you feel better, more energized, whatever - then God bless and good luck, and I hope it continues. What I don't want people to think is that this machine makes 'magic' water that will cure all that ails them - because this machine only distills water. Pure and simple.
I'm sorry if this has been a wandering ramble. I get very angry when I see people try to use what they call Science to deceive people. All that does is weaken people's faith in true science.
 

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