Date:   3/20/2008 3:25:38 AM ( 16 y ago)
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Top of the mornin' to ya -

I am doing my best to put together the EXTREMELY limited amount of information you have offered, and offer advice based on almost a decade of health coaching (along with having a mother-in-law that was cured of terminal liver cancer via natural means). I apologize from the bottom of my heart if somehow I'm not putting together the scant pieces in a way that suits you. I'm far from your "average bear" or CZ poster when it comes to knowledge and experience in the world of natural healing...my intention is truly to provide you with knowledge and assistance. I do not have any need to "prove" some theory works, nor do I have any type of need to "blame the victim" or make up a scenario. Quite frankly, it sounds like you have your mind-made-up (quite strongly) as to the cause of your situation...but it's clear your knowledge base is extremely limited.

>>>You also both just ignored the fact that AS A RESULT of the Liver Flush I got jaundice<<< I most certainly did NOT ignore "the fact" that AFTER your Liver Flush that jaundice occurred.

First of all, there's only one physiological way that a Dr. Schulze 5-day Liver Flush protocol, followed "to the letter" using his products could cause jaundice...and that would be that debris was disturbed from the walls of the biliary network, hence creating some level of a bile/flow impediment or clog. That can easily be removed by further flushing, and it's a very common occurence...whether you have ever seen debris, sludge or ' liver stones ' in the toilet or not. (By the way, DID you evacuate over a colander every time you had a bowel movement for those five days and rinse the fecal matter away so you could know for SURE if any debris was removed from the liver or gallbladder during the flush. If you didn't, then your continued statements that your liver/gallbladder released no debris are not based on fact. The herbs in the tincture and tea are not capable of causing jaundice, nor is drinking juice, olive oil, garlic or ginger. That's simply a total impossibility. And if you want to get grumpy, so can I. If you would do ANY level of adequate research, you could have easily proven to yourself beyond ANY shadow of any doubt that this is true. But obviously you didn't. For some reason or another you chose to blame "the flush" rather than even half-heartedly attempting to find out what really happened.

Virtually every human over 12-15 years old (that has lived on this planet and eaten a typical diet for any length of time) has some type of liver/biliary system sluggishness. This is very similar to hardening of the arteries; it's a build-up of stale bile, cholesterol, bilirubin and other liver substances that have built up along the walls of the biliary networks due to the liver being overworked by vast amounts of poisons and toxins it has to neutralize daily because of our decades worth of ingesting toxic substances. The liver has all it's work cut out for it even if there were only a few substances, but the majority of people have ingested substantial quantities of liver-destroying/clogging "foods" such margarine (one molecule away from plastic), transfats, alcohol, (in the past few years, genetically modified oils (soy and canola) and all variety of liver stressing foods throughout their entire life. This causes the liver to be engorged, overworked and functioning sluggishly...there doesn't have to be a "clog" or "debris" for the liver to be impeded or sluggish And there's no specific symptom that the liver is in this sluggish, semi-clogged-not-functioning-up-to-peak state. There could easily be ample bile flowing through the biliary network to adequately digest foods "normally" and all test results could also be normal.

>>>>All of my blood tests before the flushes were excellent.<<<<

For example, my husband's cousin (the one I linked you to the story of) recently was having extreme pain. After a series of tests, it was determined her gallbladder was 'full of sludge'. There's only one entrance to the gallbladder, that's the liver...hence, the sludge came from the liver. Her liver panels & tests were all in the normal range. Why? Because test-ranges are calculated from the average person that's tested - and the average person tested has a sluggish overworked liver. In less than two weeks (3 Liver Flushes and two coffee enemas) she yielded several cups worth of 'stones' and even more sludge. If that had all been in her gallbladder (the size of a walnut) it would have exploded. So simple logic proves it all came from her totally "normal" liver. She had absolutely NO digestive distress before flushing; she eats the typical "as organic as possible" and she's very well educate and informed.

>>>You both just made up the fact that I didn't eat well or organic. Bizarre.<<

You said you were having troubles with digesting meat, fats and sugars. A healthy Diet has very little meat, fat and sugar. Nobody made anything up.

>>>I did the flush because I wanted an extra oomph as toxins are everywhere and wanted to see if there was a difference. I DID NOT do the flush because I had any problem with my liver, pancreas, or gall bladder. The opposite in fact.<<<

It's obvious that your lack of knowledge is impeding you here. If you read or converse with any natural healer that's well versed in liver flushing, healing and cleansing, he/she will tell you that EVERY human on the planet (unless they've been raised in an organic bubble, lol) has some level of liver/biliary sluggishness - it's impossible not to have. So the opposite is not a fact, it's an erroneous assumption based on the fact that you felt "normal". Quite honestly, the reason I'm reason I'm responding is because I still hope to help you with your issues, even though you seem to be quite unwilling to research and learn the truth...that's because I care, NOT because I'm out to win some kind of debate or achieve martyrdom as a healing saint.

>>>>If you want to be helpful, fine, focus on the real issue. If you are threatened because something bad happened as a result of liver flushing, then just move on, I don't want your input. Start your own thread.
I don't care if other people have done this or that and are fine. The board is full of those postings. I am happy for them, but I am talking about one person here--me and my experience. Why is that so threatening? That is what gives this board a bad name. I also don't think that obsessive details will change the answer.<<<<

My heavens, I'm TRYING to be helpful and focus on the real issue...and I am certainly not threatened - I know of what I speak. The testimonies and stories I've tried to relate to you ARE important, while they may be "anecdotal", enough anecdotal stories & experiences add up to empirical evidence.

>>>If Dr. Schulze 's liver flush and cleanse routine causes in fact severe dysfunction to liver and pancreatic function, which dysfunction has not improved with several following liver/gb, kidney/b cleanses, and flushes (and the passing of 8 months), what is the source of the damage and what are the steps to correct this?<<<

NO ONE on this board has said that " Dr. Schulze 's liver flush and cleanse routine causes severe dysfunction to liver and pancreatic function"...what we've done is elaborate fully of the possibility that something was dislodged during the cleanse that could now be clogging (and need further cleansing to remove)...and perhaps your diet/lifestyle has as much/more of an effect. You have not been forthcoming with any further information that would allow us to assist you...any decent 'advise giver' would have to know: your daily/weekly diet; how much water you drink; how many bowel movements you have daily/weekly, their consistency, your weight/height/age, supplement and pharmaceutical intake, etc. There's a zillion possibilities for your symptoms that could be "non flush" related, and if you'd offer the information, perhaps we could easily/clearly see something that could be causing your situation. You're asking (telling us) that you are SURE one flush caused jaundice and digestive stress, and ??? ...expecting us to agree with you. Tigger and I have done our best with the limited amount of information you have provided, eh?

You have previously stated that you saw no liver debris from your initial flush, and now you're stating that you have done several. If you would like my assistance, please tell me what kind of "several" Liver Flushes you did, how close together, and what the results were/are...and all of the information listed above (and anything else pertinent you can think of).

If you would not like me to respond further, please tell me so. If nothing else, please purchase of copy of Andreas Moritz 's book:
The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush (Paperback)
by Andreas Moritz


http://tinyurl.com/2aeogd


Andreas has coached thousands of patients with Liver Flushing and attaining vibrant health. I'm sure that every answer that you need to know is contained in this fabulous book. Perhaps his manner of communication will be more conducive to your learning and research than any of us here can suitably provide.

Blessings -

Unyquity





 

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