Date:   3/19/2008 6:25:40 PM ( 16 y ago)
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I'm in a HUGE 'time crunch' here, so I'm going to be as brief as I can be:

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I wanted to do a liver cleanse only because I was sensitive to cigarette smoke and wondered if that would help.<<<

As a general rule, the more we eat purely organic foods & water, and the more we cleanse our bodies - particularly the liver...the MORE sensitive we become to poisons. That's something that anybody that has fully cleansed and eats a true organic healthy Diet can tell you.

For the sake of many issues you have questions about, consider this scenario...a human being is raised 'in a bubble' - where all the foods, air, water that it eats all contain levels of poisons that do not present any obvious symptoms. The person will live their lives in a state of "normal" that's totally abnormal...but everyone around them is "normal" too. If that person were transported to a world of truly normal people, he would immediately start cleansing...and as his body went through the various stages of unloading massive loads of incredibly toxic/poisonous build-up, he would develop all KINDS of disturbing symptoms.

There's an order and methodology to cleansing and restoring the body, and messing around with it can cause all kinds of symptoms that were not there before. One has to 'see it through' and do EVERYTHING, or they'll end up either dealing with MDs, or what I call "quack natural healing" ...taking tons and tons of supplements for the symptoms (which do nothing more than cover up the symptoms with "natural" band-aids instead of pharmaceutical/toxic ones)...and can definitely end up stressing the body even further.

>>>>I wanted to do a liver cleanse only because I was sensitive to cigarette smoke and wondered if that would help.<<<<< If we undergo cleansing for 'topical reasons' such as this, we'll never achieve vibrant health, eh? We cleanse and change our diet to restore our bodies to complete working order so that we can be healthly. Dibble-dabbling around is both irresponsible, dangerous, AND puts all kinds of limits and "bad experiences" in the pathway of those attempting to learn the truth.

>>>>So when my body is telling me something by not digesting meat, fats, and Sugar very well n-o-w, I think it is telling me that Dr. S's Liver Flush f--ed my body up big time and it has lasted these 8 mos.<<<

That's very possibly a VERY large "load of it". For if you had done ample research and gained the knowledge you're now desperate for BEFORE you started cleansing, you would not be in this situation...you would have known what to expect and you would know exactly why you're experiencing what you're experiencing. You still haven't said how many/what type of Liver Flushes you have done, how frequently, and what the results were. Without that information no one can give you the assistance you're desiring.

>>>I was intending to take the one round and see how it went, then my body started having the serious problems. So, I did a few more, and the only time my body was doing well was while on the cleanse. It made me feel like the organs' functioning was noticeably diminished.<<<

This would be a very typical & common experience. In the 9-10 Liver Flushes I have done, I have continued to get out (as you saw in the pictures of the post I linked you to, if you looked) a huge amount of liver clogging debris. If you stir all that up in your liver by doing 'whatever you did' and you don't "see it through" until the results of your Liver Flushes yield virtually NO liver debris, stones or biliary sludge - you can expect your liver function to be different (and most likely more symptomatic) than it was before you stirred something up. Back to the auto-analogy...if an engine is clogged at various locations but still running in an acceptable way, it's a very bad idea to 'throw a little cleanser' into the fuel lines. You can easily end up with a situation where NOW the fuel injectors, carb and fuel lines (that at least had a little flow that was working), are now all "crudded up" with the debris you loosened. This isn't something one needs "scientific medical evidence of", it's just logic and common sense. (One of my favorite quotes? Common sense is not necessarily so common).

>>>So when my body is telling me something by not digesting meat, fats, and Sugar very well n-o-w, I think it is telling me that Dr. S's Liver Flush f--ed my body up big time and it has lasted these 8 mos.<<<

The baseline here is simple, if we eat something that isn't being digested properly or makes us symptomatic, any animal in the world knows to stop eating it. You've got two options: either the meat/sugar/fats are not what your body wants (and NO body wants a diet full of meat, Sugar and fat...that's a zillion miles from a healthy, majority-raw-foods & produce scenario) AND/or something is wrong with your body that it can't handle it. Going back to the poisoned person scenario...just because you could digest all that without feeling symptomatic back in your 'toxic days', doesn't mean that was "normal", nor does it mean that's what your body needed or wanted.

As far as I can tell, you haven't done a complete series of liver flushing, so with the limited knowledge you offer, I'm going with that as the main cause here (you got everything loosened and "all riled up", but you've never completed what you started). And you're relying upon "product" to band-aid the symptoms of what you've caused.

If you'd like to give me a complete list of your your organ cleansing regime for the past two years AND a complete list of your daily/weekly diet & supplements & pharmaceuticals (along with how much pure water you drink daily, how much you weigh, how often you have bowel movements) and every other bit of pertinent information about your health, I'll be more than happy to assist you to first, gain the knowledge to need to heal yourself, and second to help you put together a program that will eliminate your symptoms. BUT the only way I will teach or suggest is basically Dr. Schulze s Incurables Program (which you can read through by clicking on the Dr. Schulze link at the top of all CZ pages).

>>>You are saying that you think I should do more of the flushes and cleanses for months until the symptoms disappear. Can I ask what this opinion is based on? <<<

Sure, it's based on (from what you've written) that it's fairly clear you haven't done a full series of liver flushes with evidence that your liver is clear & clean; that you developed symptoms after a flush that I've seen, read (hundreds of similar stories), and coached others through countless times (that are always resolved by finishing what was started); that since you're ingestion of meats, oils, and sugars is symptomatic, you NEED to fully cleanse your liver (and probably, most likely, seriously adjust your diet/eating).

>>>So when my body is telling me something by not digesting meat, fats, and sugar very well n-o-w, I think it is telling me that Dr. S's Liver Flush f--ed my body up big time and it has lasted these 8 mos.<<<

Also, (HUGE lol), you are posting on the Dr. Schulze Forum and saying his flush phucked up your body (:::brave lil' poster you are, eh?::::...but by telling us that you're still eating meats, oils & sugars (frequently enough to cause you problems that concern you), you're telling us you're not following his diet suggestions nor probably applying the necessary life-style changes necessary to achieve health. For example? Is the meat you're eating 100% organic? or is it 'typical' meat...that's laden with steroids, Antibiotics , growth hormones and the end result of the Genetically-Modified-Organisms foods the animal was fed? (Any healthy body will revolt to that kind of meat IF it's ever had the chance to be totally cleansed and free from the poisons it came to know as "normal". When I or my husband eat non-organic meat now, we're immediately in distress for the full digestive cycle). And same applied for ANY type of unhealthy oil (transfat/hydrogenated/gmo) and White Sugar . Our bodies react violently to these things...but when they were a daily part of our diets and our bodies were "used to them", we never had bad reactions.

Btw, did you follow the Schulze liver protocol "to the letter"...with a three day juice fast in the middle of the two days of raw fruits and veggies? Did you make/drink the potassium broth?

I really DO understand why it might seem that the flushing brought on the symptoms...because dibble-dabbling in organ cleansing DOES bring on symptoms that can seem scary, abnormal and are indeed, negative. But hey, those are the results of decades worth of poisoning and sluggish clogged organs being opened up, partially cleansed with compacted debris & sludge loosened, but not completely removed. I HIGHLY suggest you get Dr. Schulze s/Sam Bisers "Save Your Life" Manual & Videos, and read/watch it all. Right now there's several listing for it on eBay
(here's a search):
http://tinyurl.com/2fk8ao

(the manual & the videos are necessary to each other - don't buy 'just' the videos or the manual alone).


Also (probably even better yet, because it doesn't take weeks to read/watch and absorb): this book is FANTASTIC for gaining adequate knowledge about liver flushing:
The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush (Paperback)
by Andreas Moritz

http://tinyurl.com/2aeogd

(be SURE to read the testimonies at Amazon, you'll be glad you did).

My cousin (an RN) was having difficulties understanding why and how she could safely liver flush; she was overwhelmed (and eternally greatful) to have found this book!

I applaud you for not simply taking my advice (although it WILL work! :::grin:::) and wanting to know the whys & wherefores yourself! If you only do one thing for now on 'my list' start with some castor oil packs. Who knows, those alone have been known to relieve liver congestion and they're totally harmless. KNOWLEDGE IS THE KEY TO VIBRANT HEALTH...and not depending upon others to be our OWN doctor is vital. Sadly, most people I coach only want to know 'what to do', NOT why they are doing it.

Here's some additional information for you to read about meat/protein eating that might clarify things even more for you:
Here's the link:
http://www.getalife.net.au/mag

I highly recommend reading the pages with 'protein' in the title (four), and you will also find the 'liver pages' incredibly enlightening & informative. I haven't yet had the chance to read the entire site, but most everything I've read is at least 'basically right on' with most everything I've come to know and researched.

Whew, that didn't turn out nearly as brief as I'd planned. 'Hope I'm making sense to you and you'll gain something from my input.

Healthiest of blessings!

Unyquity
 

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