Date:   1/11/2008 2:13:42 PM ( 16 y ago)
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Talk about someone jumping a thread!  I thought I recognized you and your pot calling the kettle black, slur and insult, mainstream industry supported pseudo-science cut and paste debate techniques.

You have no clue about a single thing you are talking about and you are a mainstream tool and contrarian not worth my time or the time of anyone else truly interested in natural and alternative healing.

One final time, just so no one here is duped by your nonsense, I will enlighten you - and then you can post your garbage to your heart's content.

OK, FYI - radiation and chemo have never cured anyone, period regardless of what you believe.  In some instances they have removed the symptoms of cancer and cancer never again returned to gain a foothold - but it was not the chemo or radiation that kept it at bay, it was the body's own immune system which had the good fortune to survive chemo or radiation and be rebuilt enought to keep the cancer at bay - quite possibly combined with removal of toxins and other underlying causes that enabled cancer to gain a foothold in the first place.

Most people who are true natural health advocates and not mainstream contrarian tools know this - and that includes virtually every highly regarded natural and alternative health authority on the planet.

"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health." Dr. William S. Sadler

Xenavex? Xenavex was never a real drug - it was a relabeled Russian heart and vertigo medication made via an ethanolic extraction process that removed the synergistic compounds that make aqueous oleander effective, merely a part of an investment scheme and a bogus drug from a bogus company that existed only on paper and on a bogus website (if you discount the cheesey breezeway office in a rundown Springdale Arkansas strip center next to an Hispanic AA meeting room).  I should know  - I played a major role in exposing the scam and risked my life in the process.  Yeah - imagine ME helping the FDA, US Marshalls, FBI, SEC, etc.  You can believe it or not, but I lived it.

http://www.tbyil.com/mystory.htm

Cancer.org?  What a crock!  Just like you though - you goad and push about stats and success stories because none are readily apparent, then you fail to follow-up on suggestions on where to find them, and then, when I finally do include them to shut you up, you totally ignore them and come back with mainstream fecal matter to foul the forum with.

Disqualified by default!  The same as your other mainstream and industry connected sources are disqualified every time you resort to them in the CUREZONE forum.  Do you really think that a mainstream or industry connected source is ever going to admit the effectiveness of  a potent natural alternative?  Find me ONE instance where they do!  At best, they give nodding approval to milder alternatives like green tea and yoga.  Usually the best they have to say is "needs more study", which they know will never come on non patentable natural alternatives.

In the case of oleander, they jump on a very small, extremely short duration  trial designed only to test toxicity (by definition, that is what Phase I trials do - ONLY test toxicity and have no tests whatsoever to measure effectiveness) to try to disparage oleander extract when they full well know that it has been used successfully on thousands of patients outside the US over the past 40 plus years, has been successfully used on several hundred more in the United State in the past few years in patented medicine form alone, and has been used successfully by thousands more both inside and outside the United States in home remedy and supplement form.

You may fool some people here - but how about you come over to my Yahoo forum and try to peddle your trash to all of those who have used oleander and been saved, or had the lives of a loved one saved?  My forum includes some pretty noted people and I am sure they would love to get piece of you.  So come on down,  I DARE you!

Otherwise, get lost!  Your tripe has no place in this forum.  When all is said and done, what you come up against is this:

Mainstream medicine has only one marketplace - our bodies, and the lords of mainstream drugs and germ theory medicine has a long and evil track record of lying, suppressing, persecuting, prosecuting and buying false studies to keep any and all competition at bay and keep their evil drugs and barbaric treatment methods approved.

Vioxx, Celebrex, Aleve. Bextra, Avandia, Fosamax, Gardasil - those are your shining gems.  All the deaths attributed to herbs and natural alternatives in the entire recorded history of mankind do not come close to putting a dent in the deaths those drugs have brought us.

You can defend your precious chemo, radiation and surgery all you want, but I assure you that someday mankind will look back on the practice of trying to cut away, burn away and poison away the symptoms of cancer instead of addressing the underlying causes, and in the process inflicting more harm than benefit in a large percentage of cases, as the true dark ages of medicine.

That is what you are trying to defend, and this is not the place to do so. (You might want to take a clue from the recently departed Dangerous Bacon- mainstream apologists are not tolerated very well any more).

In the words of Mike Adams:

It's pretty simple, really: Plants make you healthy; drugs make you sick. Plants protect your liver; drugs destroy it. Plants enhance brain function; drugs destroy brain function. Plants are naturally compatible with human biology; drugs are naturally toxic to human biology. Plants need no slick marketing; drugs require slick marketing. Plants were put here by God and Mother Nature; drugs were put here by greedy, criminal-minded drug company personnel who profit from your disease.


 

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