Date:   8/10/2005 6:26:39 PM ( 19 y ago)
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From what I have found out, the credit card company has the power to retreive any money issued by them, they all have a complaint form or phone number to contact and then the company that took the credit card money has no choice but to return the money to the account of the customer or they would risk loosing the right to do business with Master card and Visa. This is why I always use these 2 cards, they can only pay a visa and mastercard accounts and they can and will retrieve what was stolen or if a product was trash, etc.

If Visa knows you didn't get your product, they can simply retrieve the money from the company unless they can prove otherwise, etc. At least this is the experience I have had. Now if you really have some theives who take the money and then shut down and change names and use a new person's name to reopen again under another name, then you may have a problem. The obeynature.com claims they lost the money because it was sent to another account, now anyone with common sense would know it only takes a phone call to retreive that money, if it was an accident. If the money was sent to another account and not retrievable it was probably because they were robbing Mary to pay Paul and I believe that is what these 2 guys are envolved in because they refuse to provide one shred of evidence of who or what has the money and can only pay back small percentages at a time, they refuse to pay by credit card or get a loan, so I assume they have had problems in the past that are catching up with them from other sources as well. Regardless of the true facts that are kept secret, they screwed up, one did allot of work that was paying off extremely well and for some real stupid or desperate reason they took the chance of using allot of money that was not theirs and hurt allot of customers that were loyal to them, it is obvious that they didn't care what they did once they had their hands on enough money that they thought was worth the chance.

They had a handfull of opportunities to correct their problem and keep the website and money rolling their way and they chose not to and most likely have so many money problems they couldn't.

Their scheme in the first place is to scan the curezone and who knows all where else and look for opportunities to offer a "FREE" website. The person says ok and the next thing you know they want money to use a visa and mastercard to colect a customer's money, that seems fair enough and then you get contacted by the buddy who runs the money side and he gets nasty and claims the other partner did this way too cheap and their efforts are worth way more than previously agreed to, so you settle once again for more! Then when they start saying they need to hold the money so in case they need to refund a customer you let them slide and then when they have slid so far they about break you, you ask for the money and they don;t have it, a glitch stole the money by accident and they can't bag or borrow to cover the problem and say the bets solution is to keep selling the products and allow them time to fix the problems.

Now I am a trusting kinda of person, but after X amount of stories I just say pay up. I owe my credit cards and you can owe yours and when they refuse, you know their stories may just all be stories. You just never know now a days who you can trust.

The only way on this earth I would even consider such a website again is to meet the people in charge. Otherwise I say let them buy wholesale and retail them selves, which several have been doing on the internet and out of their homes. One young Amish family started selling the dewormer, kidney cleanse and lower bowel capsules ONLY, he knew the money makers and he started this just the same time as http://www.obeynature started up and this one Amish family has sold more dewormer than this worldwide website did. The world does not evolve around the internet, it just reaches people easier!

Many Blessings,
MH
 

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