http://www.familyshealth.com/kinotakara. 4months ago they were not available anymore. i mentioned it in andreas moritz forum (pg2). i tried shi lu and takara pads afterwards, which i did not like, i found the powder clumped too much. so now they are back i went back to the website and there were vickie price and anne again. same stories as 4 months ago!!!!! better read kelly's post above here. johanna