Actually no. I have never recieved any knowledge from a J.W. I am however aware that there is some research that agrees with my understanding, as I stated in the clever secret place recently. Perhaps we could make more headway if you were to disclose the basis of your understanding, that I may scrutinize it. I'm guessing you to be a trinitiarian. If that is in fact the case would you care to disclose which version you have decided on? There are two of which I am acquainted. Assume that I have a reasonable understanding of the teaching. I was raised a Catholic, but I will not inquire as to your choice. what's good for the goose is good for the gander after all. I am not a liar Rodney