Chaz, is the fact that I mentioned that I went to AA when I first got sober an 'agenda' to you? Sorry if that bothers you, especially since I also noted that others have found other way to get sober. I think your negativity was uncalled for, and counter-productive. It might even be of interest to you to know that I haven't been a regular attendee at AA meetings in years, but I did learn from people I met through the program years ago how to change my outlook and grow as a person. That change has allowed me to stay sober and healthy for over 21 years now.