Same here, no offense taken or given and my heart goes out to you for your greivous losses! I too have lost loved ones to alcohol and drugs ! I think its great that many have found AA as a refuge and solice and companionship, all these things are wonderful and I give the people of AA much credit for there successes ! I simply want to extend the hand of encouragment to those who have failed at some twelve step program to continue to seek help and forge ahead in there persuit of sobriety! I am not partial to the method! Grog