I use Miracle11 and I love it. The neuterlizer is great also. Also try the moisturizer. I don't use anything else. I even shampoo with it. Great stuff. It is just about as natural as you can get. Give your tub or shower a good cleaning and you won't have to clean it again as there is nothing in the Miracle11 to make it dirty.Thats what they say and it seems to work for me. Give it a try.