I'm trying very hard not to muster up a sermon. I thought people like you hate that sort of thing. I'm just telling how I see it.
The scripture I was talking about was about cutting off your own hands, not someone else correcting you. So I'm not following your comment about rebellious children.
So no need for another chance to flesh out anything. I don't do MK-Ultra training.
Speaking of which...I asked a question in your forum today. I didn't know if you could answer it or not. (just in case you missed it)