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You said, "My time is short-

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You have given me some pointers, but so far I've seen nothing that I haven't come across before, and I'm still far from convinced."

That's cool!

But also remember, I'm just an amateur at this hell debate. I claim to be no expert whatsoever. I'm not going to be bringing any "humdingers" on the subject. lol I was just throwing things out as it came in my head. I'm sure there are many more compelling arguments made by the experts out there on this subject.

And I still do recommend Chris Date and Edward Fudge, Glenn Peoples (also from the Rethinking Hell website and you can find videos from him on youtube also). And I'm sure there are others you could find that would bring a compelling case for Conditional Immortality.

So yeah, just keep studying. And we can get back to this later. And in the meantime, keep trying to find those passages that prove that unbelievers have immortality. :)

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        Here’s a short excerpt from Edward Fudge, on the I... vektek 7 y 1,261
        
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