Re: Evidence that liver flushing is a scam

 I have released a hard shelled stone from the liver flushing protocol. Others have released hard stones as well. The article indicates that the soap stones are formed by mixture with calcium, primarily through ingestion of milk fats or cheese. Beside the fact that we are all doing a solid 24 hour fasting period during the protocol, I do not have milk fat or cheese as a component of my normal diet. I am vegan. I have also gone into this protocol with a preceding day of juice fasting, hence no kind fat exposure. People have gone into this protocol after extended fasts (such as the Master Cleanse), with no fat, particularly milkfat exposure. They have produced stones. It is possible that some of these blobs are soap stones, but I do not believe the evidence indicates that for all of them.

Thank you for your interesting contribution to the discussion.

What you have to keep in mind is that plants can be excellent sources of calcium.  Where do you suppose cows get their calcium for their bones and milk?

Plants can also be excellent sources of fats.  Ever hear of vegetable oils?  Flax seed oil?  Hemp oil? Cotton seed oil?  Milk thistle oil? Palm oil?......................

As for real gallbladder stones I have never denied that ingestion of oil can cause gallbladder contractions allowing expulsion of very small stones.  I have stated that several times in the past and it was never in question.  In fact, if you read some of the posts on my forum I specially state that it is a good idea to consume small amounts of oil with meals if you have a gallbladder to help prevent stagnation of the bile.  The problem is that LF supporters never really read what I actually said and kept claiming that I said things that I never said so the arguments get out of hand as they keep twisting things.  What I have been saying all along is that those big green squishy blobs that people are claiming are gallstones or liver stones are not consistent with REAL gallstones or liver stones and that it is IMPOSSIBLE to pass real stones that size through the ducts.