Re: What about these "oleander sites" and these actual case reports?

 Then why do the various oleander sites out there state that oleander is NO LONGER in FDA trials?

What "various oleander sites" are you referring to? 

ROTFLMAO!!!!  Once again you prove the need to researching lessons.  Well, there is this pro-oleander site for one:

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/anvirzel_update.htm

"Where Anvirzel stands is the question of the decade. Ozel owns the patent and the trademark, though they did let it lapse once. There is no funding to continue Phase II trials. There has been a legal agreement between Ozell and Phoenix Biotech that “hold each other harmless,” meaning that both companies can make Anvirzel™."

By the way, you may also want to pay attention to the part where it clearly states that Anvirzel had "NO objective anti-tumor responses were seen".  In other words the Anvirzel showed NO significant on human cancer cells when tested in the human body.  in fact, if you want to see the actual abstract they are referring to here it is:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16763787

Invest New Drugs. 2006 Sep;24(5):423-7.

Phase 1 trial of Anvirzel in patients with refractory solid tumors.

Abstract

Anvirzel is an aqueous extract of the plant Nerium oleander which has been utilized to treat patients with advanced malignancies. The current study reports a phase 1 trial to determine the maximum tolerated dose (MTD) and safety of Anvirzel in patients with advanced, refractory solid tumors. Patients were randomized to receive this agent by intramuscular injection at doses of 0.1, 0.2, 0.4 ml/m2/day with subsequent patients receiving 0.8 or 1.2 ml/m2/day sequentially. Eighteen patients were enrolled and completed at least one treatment cycle of three weeks. Most patients developed mild injection site pain (78%). Other toxicities included fatigue, nausea, and dyspnea. Traditional dose limiting toxicity was not seen, but the MTD was defined by injection volume as 0.8 ml/m2/day. No objective anti-tumor responses were seen. Anvirzel can be safely administered at doses up to 1.2 ml/m2/day, with the amount administered intramuscularly limited by volume. The recommended phase II dose level is 0.8 ml/m2/day.

Oh gee, more evidence that oleander does not work for cancer inside the actual human body.  With your great research skills how could you ever have missed something so easy to find?!!!

While you are demanding human proof, what about the actual case reports of success using oleander?  Here is but a sample: 

Again testimonials that cannot be verified mean nothing.  How do we know that these people even existed?  How do we know that they did not change their diet and do other alternatives that were really what cured them if they existed?  Unsubstantiated reports are as worthless as giving an anchor to a drowning man.

At least I see that I am not the only person you have attacked for questioning the effectiveness of oleander, which as we now see has been shown to be ineffective in the human body.  You really should do something about your uncontrolled rage problem:

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100110170641AA9FG91

Tony I

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You have repeatedly asked about oleander since joining yesterday - three or more times in a manner that attacks me (which explains why those posts are no longer here). You just posted a question similar minutes ago and it too was deleted before I had the chance to answer. Now you have cleaned it up and posted it yet again. And why in the world would you think it would make sense to anyone here but me for you to give the post numbers of messages from another group on this one? Not that you have made much sense since you began your crusade of questions here.

Why do you now claim to have have studied oleander extensively when your other ever changing messages indicated that you knew very little at all about it?

Here is what I fortunately saved earlier:

What I have observed, as has the Naturopathic PhD who devised a herbal oleander supplemen who has tracked over 1000 people who have used oleander, is that it has apparently been over 90% successful when used as part of an overall cancer fighting protocol. How much of that success is due to oleander is certainly debateable, since I have never recommended that oleander or any other single item be depended upon by itself to fight cancer. I also note that what I recommend as does the Naturopathic Doctor (who has actually tracked the success rate better than I have), includes a healthy diet and lifestyle, cleaning and protecting the liver AND the flaxseed/cottage cheese part of the Budwig Diet Protocol of multiple Nobel Prize nominee Johanna Budwig, which does itself have a very high success rate against cancer.

I note that Dr. H. Z. Ozel in Turkey has reported a success rate of over 70% across the board with oleander extract and he has treated thousands of patients. It was Dr. Ozel who re-discovered the age old oleander folk remedy in Turkey and later went on to use for the past 40 plus years and ultimately patent the oleander medicine Anvirzel, which is currently in FDA testing. As a professional oncologist, Dr. Ozel was mostly limited to using oleander as a CAM medication either alongside approved therapies or else after those therapies had failed and he did not recommend the same kind of dietary and lifestyle changes or additional supplementation. Interestingly, Ozel was brought up on charges by the mainstream medicine folks for practicing unapproved unapproved treatments. After the courtroom was flooded with people testifying how oleander had saved their lives, the charges were dropped. If you looked, I twice furnished you links to some of his case reports.

And one more time, I have never said that I did not say that oleander has a 90% success rate with cancer. What keeps being alleged here is that I have said that I personally could cure cancer over 90% of the time when I have never said I could cure any cancer period. Perhaps you fail to see the distinction the same as you fail to see what I have already provided you time and again, but there is quite a big difference between saying that I something is over 90% successful and that I personally am over 90% succesful at curing anything. I am not a doctor nor any other kind of health practitioner, I don't treat anyone for anything and neither do I cure. I merely provide information in the hopes that people are able to cure themselves. 

Real testimonials are not nearly as rare as you imply. They are there and in abundance. Your inability to find them must be due to how poor a job you have done in looking back over 20,000 posts in that forum. One of those testimonials comes from my own 86 year old uncle. Would you like to talk to him? Of course, he did other things too, so there you go with what was it that really worked? All that can be proven is that he took oleander and followed my advice and is now cancer free. One thing that did not work was mainstream treatment. Until he changed he was on his way to dying.

You joined only a day ago and as far as I can tell every post you have made is one which questions oleander and often questions my veracity as well. What exactly is your purpose here?

Frankly, your questions and your allegations have been addressed over and over and you either fail to even look at the information that I have provided or else you are operating only on your own belief. Oh yes, and now, after demonstrating your lack of understanding and knowledg of oleander, your new information says that you and four people you are in constant contact with have had no success with oleander. So we are to believe that you and four of your friends happen to all be people who took oleander without having the slightest clue as to how it worked or any other background information on oleander?

Your earlier posts, which have been deleted due to the nature of your personal attacks on me, have clearly demonstrated your lack or knowledge or experience with using oleander against cancer. Either way, it is apparent that it is pointless for me to try to further educate you.

You refer to yourself as "research", so why don't you do it? You can either research and investigate and satisfy your doubts (which is what I did for literally thousands of hour.

EDIT - Truthseeker you may be right, this is getting rediculous! I have given this guy links to numerous PubMed studies, case reports, other forums with testimonials, two Biotech companies whose oleander products are in FDA trials and the MD Anderson clinic in Houston where the latest oleander medicine is being tested in Phase I trials - all to no avail and his story keeps changing every time he makes another post.

EDIT - Rhianna I see that once again you have flaunted the rules and taken the opportunity to take shots at me. You deserve no reply, but you do deserve being reported. Again.

EDIT TINK - I do not know of anyone who has taken oleander as a preventive or who has continued to take it after beating cancer who has ever had cancer. So, from my experience that is pretty much 100%. I have a Yahoo group with over 1600 members - in all that time I am aware of no more than a dozen who are not still alive (all of whom had prior mainstream treatments, btw). Most members either join the group after mainstream medicine has failed them or else who have rejected the idea of using mainstream treatments.

As noted above. the naturopathic PhD who developed an herbal supplement has tracked over 1000 people who had cancer for over 5 years now. He reports that so far it is about 95% effective in stage I and stage II cancers and about 85% with stage III and stage IV cancers. That makes 90% look pretty accurate.

Regarding AIDS, a double blind placebo controlled clinical trial on the herbal supplement was performed over a year ago at a noted Johannesburg AIDS clinic:

"Summary

"The data indicates clearly that the herbal mixture that was used in the study resulted in a dramatic improvement of the participating AIDS patients who received it. While the placebo group continued to deteriorate, the CD4 counts of the group receiving the mixture increased and their liver enzymes stabilized. The Null Hypothesis was thus proved incorrect and the Research Hypothesis was shown to be true. The study showed that an herbal mixture consisting of Sutherlandia Frutescens and Nerium Oleander is effective in increasing the CD4 counts of HIV-positive individuals who have a CD4 count below 400 and who are showing clinical symptoms of AIDS. It also showed that this improvement came about without causing any liver damage and that liver enzymes of participating individuals improved or stabilized during the study period..."

The complete trial report with charts may be downloaded and viewed at the following link:

http://www.tbyil.com/HIV_OPC_Trial.pdf

Case Reports and Studies on Oleander

http://www.tbyil.com/Oleander_Case_Repor…

Though not loved in mainstream circles, the cancertutor site is highly regarded outside those circles and they check every alternative cancer treatment out thoroughly, basing nothing on mere heresay. I note that they rank oleander among the top handful of alternative cancer treatments out of over 300 they have studied.

I can understand how you are having a hard time accepting what I have said. Twenty years ago I would have felt the same way. Nevertheless, I have to wonder why you would believe someone who came here posting questions that attacked me (all of which have been deleted), demonstrated he had no knowledge of oleander and has changed his story in every post while going out of your way to debunk me when I have provided proof? I don't say or publish anything unless I believe it is true, Tink.

EDIT - SkepDoc, isn't Gorski the same guy who wrote about how much he admired the thoroughly debunked quackwatch quackpot Stephen Barrett and how flattered he was to be compared to him? Gorski knows nothing about oleander other than what he has read and he typically picks and chooses information in that article the same as others you have referred to. If he did know beans about oleander, he would know that the two drugs currently in FDA trials have the exact same compounds as does the home remedy version known as "oleander soup". I happen to know the people at both of the biotech companies very well. Gorski? Well, he knows Barrett.

Yeah, they love me about as much at the psuedo-science based medicine site as your gang does here.

FINALLY, I note that neither my oleander forum, nor my book, nor any oleander supplement existed six years ago. If this person took oleander, where did he get it? If he has been a member and read every message, why did he come here asking questions he should have known the answers to? Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Source(s):

I am a natural health author who has researched and written extensively about oleander and beating and avoiding cancer naturally.

 

The original poster's question was a fair one.  If people are going to consistently claim a 90% success rate then they should be ready to put up or shut up.  Instead the response as usual is to attack anyone who questions the validity of the unproven claims about oleander.  This is typical of what quacks do when caught red handed and backed in to a corner.  So acting like this does not help your case any more than the study you missed showing that during phase 1 trials that Anvirzel showed "no objective anti-tumor responses".  So fess up Tony, did your excellent research skills miss this simple to find abstract or did you deliberately ignore this study to mislead people in to thinking that oleander really worked?!!!