Re: Ban domineering forum owners from the debate (edited)

I still think you're way over-the-top, comparing Liver Flush promoters to members of a cult. Many people try new and unproven remedies. Someone had to try them the first time in order to figure out whether they work. Basically all of natural healing is based on experimenting on ourselves, in my opinion. I don't decide what to try by reading scientific studies, I decide by using common sense and intuition and by reading and studying different points of view, when I'm able to find sources that I trust. And it's a rare thing these days to find sources that can be trusted. The internet is full of liars and hustlers.

I think you get upset when you see gullible people being taken advantage of. It seems to me that you're trying to slay the "dragon of all false and harmful health info" on Curezone. The problem is, forum owners such as yourself and others have strong beliefs that conflict with each other. You'll get much further in convincing reasonable people like myself if you will explain without insulting.

You're suggesting that people who do Liver Flushes are mindless zombies who will try anything (such as cyanide) that's suggested to them. That type of superior attitude causes me to lose some of my respect for you, and I do respect you. There are many weird things that I don't agree with, like coffee enemas and urine therapy, however I wouldn't call people who use them members of a devil cult.

I don't consider your statement that Liver Flushes have been proven to be unsafe to be any kind of proof at all. That's the problem. You may have seen these things happen with your own eyes, but I haven't. We all know how records can be changed and mistakes covered up, especially in hospitals.

It does make sense to me that doing a Liver Flush if you don't have a gall bladder could be very harmful.

As for Hulda Clark , I agree with her viewpoint on dental work being harmful and a source of many poisons in the body. Also, I agree with her belief that parasites are a far greater problem than many people realize.

As far as proving that Liver Flushes expel large gallstones, I have no opinion on this. I haven't studied it and I've never done a liver/GB flush. I don't pretend to be an expert and have no proof to offer, on either side of the issue. Science is based on theory and hypothesis and these change constantly. We make our own observations of life, we share them and argue about them, but how can anyone prove that they're right? We can say whatever we want and others will choose whether to believe us or not.

(edit) I want to add that what you're saying about the size of the bile duct being too small to allow large stones to pass through makes sense to me. However ... there could be small Gallstones inside the larger "stones" or whatever they are, that are expelled. Webmaster made an interesting post on this a while back, with pictures. Either way, the main thing is, did the flush make the person feel better?


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