Re: For Kcirla :) (Natural Healing & Herbal Solutions w/Unyquity) 6/29/2010 1644867

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Hello Uny,

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me. I will try to answer your questions in the best way I can.

--So what actually happened "legally"?...either your mother (& father?) and a psychiatrist talked and they decided it was best for you to enter the psychiatrist ward (and indicated to you that you "had to", so you complied without being legally forced). OR your mother/father and psychiatrist went through all the legal channels and had you admitted HDT (or HO). Which?

Legally, my mother, with the help of my GP, decided to have me admitted HDT. They decided that juice fasting was a dangerous thing for me. They saw it as "starvation", rather than increased intake of nutrition. At that point, I was in a terrible physical state, way underweight, suffering a lot, and almost unable to hold any food down. Juice fasting was what I saw as my only way out of this mess, having already tried so many things and diets. What happened is that my mother told me I would go the hospital for further exams, and in fact she took me to the psych ward. Traumatizing.

--I see quite a bit about your mother, but not your father. What's his role in this situation?

When I mention my father, it is in fact my step father. My father died in an accident few years ago. My step father is a great guy, he always believed in what I was saying, went with me to MDs that knew a bit about candida overgrowth. He doesn't understand everything, but he tried reading many articles and books I was submitting him regarding natural healing, candida, leaky gut... My mother didn't even try to pay attention to that, just following what my stupid GP would say her. My step father learnt through those readings that one's body can be very compromised, even if nothing dramatic shows up on standard medical tests. The admission was my mother's and GP idea, he didn't think it was the thing to do but legally there's nothing he could do about it. Plus he is not the kind to go against my mother decisions.

--No matter which way you were admitted, they had to put some type of label or "diagnosis" on you (or more than one) for admission into the hospital. What were the specific diagnosis/es,

They diagnosed me as an hypochondriac. They saw the medical exams and thought that the abnormalities in them were not enough to explain my physical state and the complains I had.

--What specific drugs/dosages were you given (or forced to take), and what was the reason for each drug?

I was given an antipsychotic, risperidone. An antidepressant, paxil. A benzodiazepine, prazepam. An another antipsychotic, tercian. All at maximum doses. They didn't give me a specific reason for each drug. In the psych ward, everybody had a combination of antidepressants, antipsychotics, benzodiazepines. Even those that appeared "very normal" to me. I stopped all but the antidepressant after that, and had no problem stopping them as I don't need them in the first place. I only noticed positive changes by stopping them.

--It appears that if you were admitted HDT/HO, they could 'treat you without your consent' (which is what you indicate happened). When the psychiatrist prescribed these various drugs, were you allowed to read the package inserts and discuss the various side-effects (or possible alternatives) before taking the drugs?

If one wanted to refuse treatment, they would threaten to give it by injections. We weren't allowed to read the package, and the doctors would be very evasive regarding the side-effects.

--My guess is that you somehow tried to question or refuse the drugs - what actually happened?

The threat of injections. I quickly figured out that the quickwest way to get ouf of this hell was to take their treatment.

--What antidepressant are you now taking, and what dosage? What symptoms or side-effects are you experiencing (if any) from the antidepressant?

I'm now taking paxil. I weaned myself off very slowly, from 40mg to 10mg at the moment. Regarding side effects, I don't know what is due to paxil and what is due to my physical problems.

--Does you mom/dad and psychiatrist/s know that you've stopped taking everything but the antidepressant? If so, what do they think about that?

They know, and my mother thought it was a very bad idea (she immediatly called the doctors to tell them), as she thinks the drugs are what I need, even if in monthes of use they didn't provide any benefits at all, quite the opposite. My step father understands that I don't need them.

--When you were discharged from the hospital, was there anything you had to agree to before they'd let you out? If so, what?

I had to continue my treatment and visit the psychatrist as often as he would judge good to do.

--Did you learn anything that was beneficial to you while in the hospital? If so, what?

Nothing beneficial. Only that psychiatry is a shame, and drugs of very little help to people. I believe in psychotherapy and psychology though. But this is not part of psychiatry.

--You said: Also, I'm seeing the psychiatrist in 2 days...
He will necessary notice that I lost weight. I'm started to really worry that they might consider sending me back to the psych ward. And this can not be considered: in the state I am, this would mean no more no less than death.

Since you're still posting, I assume the appointment with the psychiatrist went smoothly enough to keep you out of the hospital. How did that meeting go?

It went ok. I faked to be physically well. Basically, each time I go, he asks me if I'm still concerned about my health issues. I say no.

--Other than the juicing & weight loss issues, what reasons do you think your mom, dad and the psychiatrist had for admitting you to a psychiatric ward? Do you think any of their reasoning is valid? Why or why not.

I don't think any of their reasoning is valid. My health is very compromised, I have no psychological issues whatsoever, and all I need is to heal myself. I'm the last person that would need to go to such a place, really. I'm social, have a girlfriend I love, live a healthy lifestyle (or at least what I thought was a healthy one), and have plans for my future.

--We ALL are in need of some sort of emotional/mental healing and adjusting our thought processes and reactions to be truly healthy. What issues are you aware of that would benefit you by changing?

I don't think I have a lot of mental healing to do. I had to deal with my father's death many years ago, and this helped me see life differently once I managed to "get over" with it. It was very tough but led me to resolve many issues I had. I realised we have only one life, that we should enjoy it and the people we love while we still can, and that people waste time and energy with unnecessary things.

--never tell them they are wrong. If you totally disagree with them, reply with something like: "I understand why you might have that impression" -or- "if I were in your position, I might come to the same conclusion" -or- "what have I said/done to give you that impression?".

I learnt that. I learnt how to "fake" in front of them, to be the way they want you to be.

--if there is ANY way (free legal clinic? or something similar?), I suggest you find someone in the legal profession to discuss this with as soon as you possibly can. Your thoughts on that?

My thoughts are I can't lose time anymore. This would be a waste of time and energy that I don't have. I don't need any kind of psychological support, really.

--And the absolute BEST "trick in the deck of cards" (at least if your laws are like those in the US). If you strongly sense that your mom/psychiatrist are going to have you 'force admitted' again? Before they have a chance to get all the legal paperwork done, sign yourself in willingly. That way, they canNOT control the length of your stay and they canNOT force you to take drugs you don't want to take. Check with a medical/legal expert to make sure this is the case in France (and what other complications might ensue), but unless you find something that is a strong negative, it's always MUCH better to be in psychiatric ward of your own volition that being committed by law.

I realise that. But this is simply not an option. I am THAT sick that I honestly think I wouldn't make it out of there alive. That's why for me it's either I heal myself NOW or die. No alternatives, no temporary compromise. Without exageration, the situation is now critical.

So, you've said your mother doesn't believe or support you in anything you're doing naturally to heal yourself, you're bedridden and can't 'basically do anything' (which means you don't have a job)...yet you had $800 worth of supplements for her to throw away, you're obviously getting/buying produce for juice somehow, you just purchased a water distiller and you're now living away from home with a friend. ??? Anybody that knows me, knows that 'money' is the least of my concerns...but in order to give you good advice (and make herbal suggestions that are within your budget), I have to have some idea of what's happening with your money situation. So, (please excuse me if this is a rude question), but where in the world is all your money coming from? And if you have your own personal "money angel" (lol) could you please tell me how to get one of my own? :::grin:::

I have my own income ressources, even though I don't have a job, so money is not really the problem here. Thanks to my father. I won't go into more details on a public forum, I hope you understand.

--Juice fasting - 10-14 10oz glasses of juice daily (typically carrots & other vegetables, no fruit)

I juice carrots, cucumbers, celery, fennel, tomatoes, bell peppers, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, lettuce, spinach, beets, onions, asparagus, garlic, ginger

--Coffee Enemas - 4 daily (what kind of coffee are you using? and how are you preparing the CE solutions?)

I'm using organic coffee only, arabica, robusta when it is available. I prepare it "a la Gerson", as you do basically.

--Superfood daily - what kind/brand and how much? Super green good by Garden of Life, 4-6 Tbsps a day

--Flax seed - ground or whole - how much? Ground, around 3 Tbsps a day

--Psyllium - seeds or husks (or both)? ground/powdered, or whole? how much? Psyllium husks powdered, 4 heaping teaspoons a day

--Are you still doing/taking any of this? milk thistle, dandelion root, echinacea, ~~superfood, some juicing~~, enzymes (bromelain/pancreatin). If so, what 'brand' or form of herbs & enzymes (and how much daily)?

milk thistle "Now" 3 a day, dandelion "Now" 3 a day, echinacea tincture "Nature's answer" 3 dropperfuls a day, pancreatin and bromelain "Now" as often as I can think of, but always pancreatin when taking ground flaxseeds to help digest the proteins

--Apple Cider Vinegar (several tablespoons daily) raw unpasteurised, between 3 and 6 Tbsps a day

I am also taking IF1. I ran out of IF2, since then I switched to psyllium, and waiting for my bentonite clay.

I realise I'm not covering all aspects of the IP. I would love to order all your products but I don't have unlimited budget unfortunatly. Also, I focus on restoring my liver before adding anti parasites and anti fungals herbs, simply because I can't handle them anymore. Die off is unbearable. My doctor within tells me to focus mainly on the liver. But i don't forget the rest: my bowels are being taken care of by the IF1 (I was using IF2 but ran out of it. I m planning on using PB shakes to save the huge cost of IF2 here in Europe). I also ordered some Slippery Elm.

I think the juicing and the enzymes are helping the pancreas to take a rest. I m neglecting the kidneys a bit at the moment I know, but only because my liver is really my main concern at the moment. It feels so congested and impaired. I ordered some castor oil to start castor oil packs, and plan on flushing as often as I can.

Regarding nutrition, which worries me the most because I have to be sure not to lose more weight for the reasons you know, I plan on staying on the Superfood, plus the Slippery Elm that is on its way. The flaxseeds are good source of proteins and fat to what I can see, and I am following your advice regarding coconut milk. Right now, I m juicing around 10oz every 45-50 minutes. Intense.

I was thinking about the cayenne, but because it can cause die off, I was thinking on leaving it for later. Probably a mistake in regards of the other benefits of it. I plan on adding the antiparasites herbs as soon as I feel my poor liver can handle them.

There is something I wanted to ask you about: since I started to liver flush, I'm passing so much mucoid plaque, using only psyllium, where weeks of IF1/IF2 didn't do nothing. How is that possible? Could the "new" and more powerful bile flow be the reason for that?

Also, do you think it could do more damage than good to flush as often as 3 times a week? I do a slightly modified version of the big flush by Schulze: 3/4 cup olive oil, 1 cup lemon juice, one teaspoon turmeric, 5 cloves of garlic, one piece of ginger. All in the morning rather than in the evening.

Well, again, thanks for your advice, it is very kind to help :)

Kcirla