Re: Telman

Hi Isaiah53,
I think it may be an individual balancing act, but that's my opinion. I don't know if there is a way to measure the amounts needed. And, I'm also thinking that because the bile salts are "recirculated", that the dosages might change over time too.

I have HAD to Liver Flush weekly for some time now, because of feeling the stones in my liver not long after the relief of getting them out of there with a flush. Many times, I've done consecutive nights of flushing..but now I understand how that also fits right in with further depeleting the "bile pool" too.

So, over a month ago, I did (yet) another weekly flush, and got plenty of large, dark green stones out of the liver--and after better understanding what Telman said about the bile being made up of cholestrol, bile salts, and lecithin, I immediately started with the ox-bile, and got the phos-choline ordered (I did not like the granular lecithin, and didn't take it consistently), plus I also got the pancreatin (8x strength) with the lipase, also for fat emulsifying.

I can get my order from iherb in 2 days here, so when it came, I immediatly started taking the phos-choline and the pancreatin enzymes with the ox-bile prior to each meal too.

Out of habit, I did my weekly Liver Flush the following week- and for the first time, got NO stones. Nothing. And, could feel my liver actually working. I also started reading more about how if the bile is balanced, it is highly alkaline, and parasites/candida is not able to survive in it.

I do have to say that for the first few weeks especially, I had to stay close to the toilet within 1/2 hour to an hour after eating. But, it was alot of gunk coming out of my liver- including dead parasite gunk!

I've been very consistent about making sure I have all 3 things with me, even if I am away from home and having to eat out..and I take them prior to eating any meal, but especially if there is a more fatty meal. Since starting with them faithfully, I have not felt the need to Liver Flush like I've had to before. I don't feel stones in the liver, which has been nice.

I also have read too, that people that have their galllbadders, and have problems with diarrhea, or not digesting fats, need this stuff too- so it's not just for people without gallbladders.

I've been thinking about this too....gallbladder surgery is the # 1 surgery performed in the US...and how many people are on cholestrol med's- lots. If they know children already have Gallstones at early ages- how many people probably have a bile imbalance, and have no clue-- and end up having to go the medical route because of it?

One other interesting thing that I've also realized with the phos-choline...it also has phosphoric acid in it. From what I have read about what phosphoric acid does- it breaks down calcified stones (including liver/gallstones, and kidney stones).



This was one of the "ah-ha" things I realized with the bile salts and no gallbladder:

"bile acid pool", and how they recirculate:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1457474


Plus--bile salts are concentrated 5 times in the gallbladder..no gallbladder means--yeh:

>>Bile is a complex biochemical mixture, made continuously by the liver — 500-1000 ml/day passing down into the duodenum via the bile duct. There is a diversion in this journey: a small 50 ml sac — the gall bladder — fills with bile from the liver, and, by absorbing water across its walls, concentrates bile 5-6-fold.>>


No gallbladder affects how we absorb fat soluble vitamins:

>>The bile micelles pass into the duodenum, where the detergent action of the bile salts emulsifies fats, which are then broken down by the enzyme lipase from the pancreas. Bile salts also assist the final absorption of the products of fat digestion. Both bile and lipase are necessary for the proper absorption of fats by the small intestine. Without one or other of these two, there is deficiency of the vital fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, E and K, and malabsorption causes fat to appear in the faeces (steatorrhoea).>>


>>>http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james63.htm


>>>Most surgeons are blithely ignorant about the lost function of the gall bladder in patients who cholecystetomy. All patients lacking a gall bladder suffer from deficiency of bile acids. Patients lacking a gall bladder are unable to control bile secretion into the intestines to regulate proper absorption of fats, fatty acids, and fat soluble vitamins. Proper removal of toxins depends on bile acids that are not available in appropriate quantities after cholecystectomy. All persons who have had cholcystectomy need to take bile acids permanently. Without a gall bladder the patient has lost the ability to stock up on fat that can be used as a source of calories in illness and famine, essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins(A, D, E, K).>>
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