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Re: Herbs Are Not Effective and Quite Dangerous
 
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Re: Herbs Are Not Effective and Quite Dangerous


I found the title of this forum to be very interesting. I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but I truly believe and from experience find that herbs\alternative healing\energy healing to be not as effective as allopathic medicines. Actually, I find that allot of people are being mislead and misguided in taking herbal remdedies that have not been studied in treating certain illnesses and conditions. I have tried allot of herbal treatments and found that they did not work on the flip side I took the allopathic and within a short period of time I was back on my feet and continuing with my daily life. Now, some may argue that well allopathic treats merely the symptom and herbal treats the root of the problem, but what a load of crap! I think we all want to the symptoms to go away so we can go on with our daily life. Who has the time nowadays to wait for months or years in order to relieve their symptoms. I truly believe after wasting so much time and money on herbs that I'm confident that they don't work, and it's a shame to see innocent people suffering by given false hopes. I am now way directing this thread to any particular person, but as I said the title of this forum is, "The Truth In Medicine". and hopefully users are being told the truth about herbs/medicines.

You are really off base with your assumptions.  First of all alternative medicines often work not only better than allopathic medicine, but studies have even shown that they can be safer and faster.  For example, ginger has been shown in studies to work better and faster than the pharmaceutical drug Dramamine for motion sickness.  And ozone therapy has been shown to be more effective and faster than chemotherapy and radiation therapy for cancers.  In addition, ozone unlike chemo and radiation is not a carcinogen (cancer causing substance), and it takes care of the root of the problem, which is most frequently a virus.  Allopathic medicine has no real treatment for viruses, and does not even have any real tests for viruses. T he antibody tests and viral load (PCR, polymerase chain reaction) CANNOT prove the presence of any particular virus.  These are only sales tools they use to convince people they have something they may or may not have so they can sell their drugs and other "treatments.  And these make a great perpetuating thing for the drug companies as the drugs cause side effects that you then need other drugs to treat the side effects, that themselves cause side effects that need drugs to treat the side effects..........  Great little scam the drug companies and doctors have going there.

Need more proof? 

-Back in 1969 the FDA was Court ordered to remove 710 prescription drugs off the market because they were found to be too dangerous for human use or to be ineffective.  Not only did the FDA leave these drugs on the market, many such as Neosporin and dextromethorphan (DM) are now available over the counter.   A few years ago the J or Pediatrics confirmed in a new study that DM was no more effective than placebo.  It does have side effects though.  So why is this drug that has been proven worthless still on the market?

-My favorite is listening to commercials for sleep drugs like Ambien and Lunesta.  Listen carefully to their commercials.  All of them say that their drugs are "non-narcotic".  Do you know what the medical definition of a narcotic is?  It is a sleep inducing agent!!!  So they are admitting that their drugs do not work.  Again though they do have some nasty side effects including "sleep walking", "sleep driving", "sleep eating", etc.  I have a friend that was arrested numerous times after taking a sleep aid.  Each time he would strip naked and go pounding on his neighbor's door.  One guy in the hospital saw someone standing outside his 3rd floor window, where there was no ledge.  Then he claimed that there was something flying across the ceiling.  When I asked him what it was he said he was not sure, it was "either a bowl of Jello or peaches".  I'm sorry, but I do not consider severe hallucinations as sleeping.

-Chemotherapy drugs have less than a 3% average success rate for most cancers.  If we factor in placebo effect, changes in diet, and use of alternatives in conjunction then the success rate drops closer to zero for most cancers.  On the other hand Hoxsey was getting an 80% success rate with his herbal cancer formula.  Rife even higher, and ozone therapy even higher than the success for Rife.  Rife units have virtually no side effects, as with ozone therapy.  In fact a study was done on ozone therapy in Germany where over 6.5 million doses of ozone were monitored.  There were just over 30 adverse reactions reported, which were mainly irritation at the injection site.  On the other hand a medical text book I have on cancer that was written for doctors states that 95% of patients undergoing chemotherapy die from the chemotherapy, not the cancer.  Sorry, but stopping the cancer by killing the person is not a successful treatment.  They also fail to factor in the cancers that come back in time because they did not address the cancer microbes and they used carcinogens to "treat" the cancer.  If a person makes it 5 years with undectable cancer they are considered cured.  If the cancer comes back 6 years later the original treatment is still considered effective since they made it past the "cure" date.  By the same token if the original cancer is put in to remission but it metastasized then the treatment can still be considered successful even though the treatment contributed to the secondary cancers.

So how do the drug companies get these drugs approved?  Simple, they falsify the test results.  This was even reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association about 20 years ago.  A few doctors reported that the drug companies were dropping people from the final results if the patient died or did not respond to the drug so the results would make the chemo drug appear effective.  If you ever watch NOVA they showed a great example of this when they were following the discovery and testing of the angiogenesis inhibitor Endostatin, which is derived from rat urine.  At the end of the program they mentioned that the second man they were following was dropped from the study because his "tumor grew beyond the parameters of the study".  Translated this meant the drug did not work so they were dropping anyone from the study that did not respond to make sure the drug appeared effective, even though it is worthless, and this way the FDA would approve this worthless drug.

-Why did the FDA approve ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, Nuprin, etc.) after it killed 2 dozen people during clinical trials from drug induced hepatitis? In fact the FDA itself estimates that nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such a ibuprofen, aspirin, celecoxib, naproxen, etc. kill an estimated 16,500 people a year!!!

-Former commissioner for the FDA, Herbert Ley, testified before Congress that the FDA was approving untested drugs in exchange for payoffs, gifts, and high level positions in the drug companies they were regulating.  In fact it has been reported for nearly 3 decades that there are over 150 FDA officials own stock in the drug companies they regulate, a direct violation of insider trading laws.  These are some of the reasons that so many ineffective and dangerous pharmaceutical drugs are making it to the market.

Speaking of dangerous, want to guess why it is that drugs that were once considered so dangerous that they needed to be sold with a prescription become over the counter once their patents expire. Then the slightly tweaked version of the drug becomes the new prescription required drug? Ibuprofen, naproxen, neosporin, DM, cimetidine, and priolsec are just a few examples.  The drug did not magically become safe as soon as the drug patent expired. It only became unprofitable for the drug companies and the FDA.

The fact is that most pharmaceutical drugs on the market have NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO WORK, and they have been shown to have side effects, often very serious ones.  Studies are frequently manipulated to make the drugs appear effective.

On the other hand most of our knowledge of herbs came from the Indians and the Chinese who had no financial interest to manipulate their research. Their lives depended on real research, and they were not selling the cures.

If you want to see the research go to Medline and see all the research that has been done proving that herbs work.

As for the alternatives not working for you, there can be all sorts of possibilities.  Maybe you were wrongly diagnosed.  Doctors do this all the time, and people trying to self diagnose miss the mark even more often.  Then there are some alternative therapies, such as alkaline waters, and claims, such as acid is responsible for all disease that are completely bogus.  You made no mention of what you had, or think you had, and what you tried.  But your response is like saying that because chemotherapy did not work for someone, which it generally does not, that all allopathic medicine therefore must not work.

One final note.  Since you claim that allopathic medicine addresses the cause of disease tell us what is their cure for allergies? Asthma?  Gallstones?  Hepatitis?  Herpes?  Rheumatoid arthritis?  Multiple sclerosis?  COPD?  Arteriosclerosis?  Osteoporosis?  Let's start with those.  You list what you think are their cures and I will tell you why they cannot cure these disorders, even though they are routinely and easily cured by alternative medicines.

 

 

 
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