Re: I am born again....edited: replaced urls

Hi Trader,

First off let me thank you for not getting offended at what I posted.  Its refreshing to be able to discuss these matters without being worried about getting into a verbal war.  I think its a good thing to be able to discuss what other people believe whether or not I believe the same way, its good to share thoughts, beliefs, and ideas with others.

Okay, here is what I believe and it does line up with what your friend has told you but its more in depth than that.  First off the "lost" are those who haven't accepted Christ as their savior before Christ comes back for the church (rapture).  That being said, when we all die it is our spirit that leaves the body.  The spirit of a lost person goes to the outer rims of hell to await judgement.  The spirit of a saved or born again person goes to heaven.  

What your friend is talking about in the great white throne judgement takes places after the rapture and the tribulation.  Every person is judged.  Those lost people are judged for their sins and then sent to hell for eternity.  The saved people aren't judged for sin because they accepted Christ as their savior and therefore through Him their sins have been covered by His blood.  But we will be judged, just not for sin. An example would be say if the Lord sent someone to me to witness to because He knew I would be able to explain salvation to him so that he could understand it and therefore make that choice to accept or deny. If I didn't witness to that person that person might never come to accept Christ and that is what I would be judged for.  Thats where the scripture talks about our crying and Jesus wiping away our tears.  I was already forgiven for that even though I might not have even been aware of it but Christ would show me what His path for me was and that I turned the wrong way in that instance and that person didn't accept Him because I didn't witness to him, it wasn't a sin just a wrong turn. My eternal abode is heaven.

Okay after writing all that I see where you got the impression that souls are thrown from heaven ha ha. The thing is that after the rapture and the tribulation are over yes, every soul will be in heaven for the final judgement and when those lost (not saved) people are judged they are in fact sent to hell.  I understand now where you got that.

Just one more thing I'd like to say.  After all the judgement and all that, God makes a new heaven and a new earth.  Why does he do that?  He does that because for thousands of years the demons (fallen angels) have gone back and forth between earth and heaven to accuse us before God, meaning they try to point out our sins to God so that they can prove we aren't good enough for heaven.  The thing they don't understand is that Christ covers our sin if we have accepted Him.  Not that we don't sin because every person alive sins but once we have accepted Christ as our savior our sins are covered.  I got off track there for a minute ha ha.  Anyway so the demons have been in heaven and after everything is over all the lost spirits (people who haven't accepted Christ) have been in heaven for the final judgement.  God cannot look on sin, therefore heaven has been defiled.  The only option is for God to make a new heaven and a new earth that is without sin.  At that time hell opens up and expands to accommodate all those lost people.

The ONLY thing that makes a person not suitable to live in God's realm for eternity (heaven), well really God's realm is the whole universe. The only thing is not accepting Christ His son as their personal savior.  

Does this make any sense to you?  It is what I believe, I know not everyone believes the same way. I'm not one of those conventional bible thumpers that preach about right and wrong.  I'm really not what the mainstream organized religion would call a Christian.  I believe everything God said.  I believe I have power through Christ and that He showed us how to live our lives while we're here on this earth and most Christians don't realize the power and the gifts we have through Christ.  We don't have to be sick, we can live healed, we don't have to be poor, we can live prosperous, we don't have to be depressed we can live with peace of mind and happiness.  Christ died for us to attain all of those things.  The trouble is that most Christians don't know we can live that way because they don't truly have the faith it takes to attain them. Each person has the right to choose what he or she believes and that is as it should be.

Willow