I disagree with k24 part one

I 100% disagree with this poster that natural therapies can only have a slight effect on serious diseases like this.

I again refer original poster to reread this link and go check out schulze's book where he talks about kidneys being completely regenerated and people with dead organs getting them working again and getting off dialysis.

//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1427534#i


I can also, as one who watched my mother, rapidly decline in health after starting dialysis and be sick as a dog after every single treatment (except for one time in two year..the time a week before her death when she finally took some tinctures I gave her at long last and reported in shock that for the first time in two years she was not deathly ill..in fact she was not ill at all when she did dialysis after taking these herbs).

This result not being sick for the first itme after listening to my advice, combined with me stopping her 7th and 8th heart attack in progress when nitro did nothing,finally convinced her (after ten years of trying to convince her) to do the incurables program.

Unfortunately and tragically, she suffered her 9th and final dialysis caused heart attack less than a week later before we had time to get the herbs and stuff, noone gave her the cayenne I had left or the specific instructions in the event of another heart attack and the hospital killed her (even there in the hospital ER, the one time she consented to use a natural treatment I had brought, her blood pressure in the 30s rose to normal after taking strong cayenne tincture.

As she wanted to die, she refused taking it again but it did calm her horrible pain enough that she was able to hear us say our last goodbyes and tell each other (the dozen of us there in the room) many personal messages when prior to it, she could only beg in horrific pain that they let her die (nurses)...certainly not talk or listen so at least we had that--a gift from one of God's amazing herbs.

She had no heart problems whatsoever in her 79 years prior to starting dialysis at 79 which increases risk to 30 times more chance of heart attacks.

It is rather the one who tells the person it is all going to be ok and trust your life to us that is the one who is not kind for no cures and only decline is found there..the one who tries to motivate and use tough love on the person to make the changes in lifestyle they should have made years ago is the one who is acting in love and doing unto others.

What k24 actually means when she says nutrition and natural cures have only minimal effect is that there is nothing other than dialysis that she or the doctors know that can help these people but trust me, people have been cured of every type of medically incurable program and went on to live decades when told they would not live in a month or a week or a year or went on to completely recover their health if they did the work.

History of full of people who beat the odds. Is it easy..not usually..can it be done..YES, it can be done..there are NO incurable illnesses..as Dr Schulze says "I don't care how many months or days your doctor says you have left, I don't care how bad you are, EVERYONE can be well. He proved it thousands and thousands of times in the clinic and far beyond that now for people using his incurables program etc.

I do not think this original poster is who they say they are as I know for a fact that a person I have worked with over a year has had numerous aliases on the kidney dialysis section ( he confessed and gave me proof and apologized and I acdcepted his apology)and there are too many similarities in this OP and his case (or rather his dad's case), so I think he started this thread..yes to save face he may continue in his aliases and that is ok if he isn't going to confess. I know he is still seeking.

The advice is good even if it is a young lady fighting to try to save her dad, but it is he (the dad) who must be looking as if it is you their child or loved one) and you know everything necessary for them to recover, but he will not do it, do it as directed or do it long and diligent enough leaving out nothing, we cannot save them.\

I know how frustrating and frightening this is..watching them get closer to death each day and feeling helpless. I kept trying with my parent, desperately, as will he (Alessandro) or her (Jenifer)whoever the original poster is as did I, but it is the dad who needs to do it, all the guidance and enlightenment and knowledge in the world is useless if the person does not believe it or want to do it with all they have in them..and so few do want to do the work though they want to get better..just not enough to take responsibility instead of handing it to the doctor who can do some things but not all things. Some things they were just not taught how to fix

If dad is not ultra committed to using alternative treatment, then, yes, he needs to settle back and put himself in the hands of the doctors and nurses and dialysis machines...preferably choosing in home dialysis as it is better as far as not tying you down and making one feel better due to the treatments being longer and more frequent etc. and then try to adapt for this is the path he has, unfortunately, chosen. At first, they will likely feel better as they get rid of the toxic blood but you know blood cleansing herbs can also do this without thew downside of dialysis.

To say one's diet has nothing to do with this or any disease, as k24 did, is ludicrous. It is the extension of I am an unlucky victim thinking, --give me a pill to fix years of living an unhealthier lifestyle than we should have. but something they just don't have that pill and they then put us on things that in the long run make us worst...like dialysis machines. How about trying that thing in the step that works like a modern day dialysis machine that is hydrotherapy based along with the other 30 steps and the incurables program instead. with that, every day, you get healthier not sicker.

I recently attended a lecture on the hallelujah diet by its founder, who advocates a vegan, 85% raw food diet and they have case after case of diseases of EVERY type and incurables ones, too, that just go away after a while(often even a short while)on this diet. If diet had nothing to do with their illnesses, why did they recover?(go to hacres.com)and read some of the testimonies of various illnesses heard.

I saw a man who founded it speaking who at age 75 recovered from colon cancer that had killed his mom and he refused to go the same medical route as he felt the treatments killed her. He ate only raw foods..fruits and veggies-- for one year and recovered completely from a baseball size cancerous tumor that went away.

He also talked of his eyes which had needed stronger and stronger glasses totally reversing themselves and recovering his perfect vision and he read from the stage with this perfect vision and his "75 year old eyes" as he said...doctors tell us when we need glasses it cannot be reversed, yet he reversed it with a healthy lifestyle; an eye doctor told me my son's 20-200 vision could NEVER be reversed (doctors are often proved wrong when they say this when people seek and find other ways and ideas as I did) and yet after 20 weeks of vision therapy with another eye doctor, he son's new vision was 20-40 which is reversed from 20-200, so what doctor one was really saying is there is nothing I know of or that I was taught that can reverse vision of 20-200. Unless they are God. people do not know everything there is to know. My son stayed out of glasses for over 20 years on that single course of 20 weeks of vision exercises.

The man from the hallelujah diet was at age 75 practically bouncing and dancing on stage, he was so apparently full of abundant energy from his diet and lifestyle. Natural treatments and diet have everything to do with health, healing and sickness...what a bizarre statement to say they don't.


This site, curezone, is after all, an alternative health website, people come here seeking alternative ways to standard medical treatment...not medical advise from allopathically trained people.

As the nurse said, people can adapt to anything but is adapting to dialysis really something we should aspire to adapt to..would not something we do that makes us better and better each day be better to adapt to (ie--a healthy lifestyle for incurables program, 30 steps, etc) than a medical treatment that makes us 30 times likelier to have a heart attack.

My mom "adapted" to going there, to the inhospitable setting (no talking with other patients was allowed or encouraged),who lectured you if you ate some healthy unapproved food (they removed most of the healthy foods from her diet), to nurses taking out too much or too little fluid and winding in the hospital from messups from super low blood pressure, this caused or feeling so washed out she could barely move or get to the bathroom steps away.

My mom, on dialysis, "adapted" to watching people die and their relatives come back and cry at her feet from dialysis. She "adapted" to having nine horribly painful heart attacks and a un healthy Diet they told her to eat and the 2 cups of fluids they allowed her to drink and she still died 2 years later.

My friend in her mid 30s did everything they doctors and nurses told her and was a good dialysis patient and she died at in her early 40s leaving behind two mentally retarded boys with no dad and no mom..she saw the state take her house to pay the high medical bills these centers got. She "adapted" and listened to her doctors and she still died and not pleasantly either nor did my mom..both went in great pain.

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