Re: WF10/MMS Silverfox Question

Jon,
You've brought up many interesting questions. I've noticed on this thread that definitions are getting a little slippery so just to clarify:



http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=197148&loc=ec_rcs


************CHLORITE - Compound Summary (CID: 197148)

Depositor-Supplied Synonyms:
CHLORITE
Chlorous acid
Chlorite ion
Chlorite(1-)
dioxidochlorate(1-)
Chlorite-group minerals
Chlorine dioxide ion(1-)
ClO2(-)
(there are more but you get the idea)

Compound properties:

Molecular Weight 67.4518 [g/mol]
Molecular Formula ClO2-
H-Bond Donor 0
H-Bond Acceptor 2
Rotatable Bond Count 0
Exact Mass 66.958682
(not complete) **************

Please notice that all of those compounds listed above are clorites. There may be different forms, i.e. solid vs. gas, but they are all chlorites and are not considered to be especially good for human consumption, although we are all exposed to chlorites pretty regularly.

Now this:


http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?sid=10502129&loc=ec_rcs


***************CHLORINE DIOXIDE - Substance Summary (SID: 10502129)

Depositor-Supplied Synonyms: (Total: 2)
CHLORINE DIOXIDE [MeSH: chlorine dioxide]
Chlorine oxide (ClO2)


Properties Computed from Structure:
Molecular Weight 67.4518 [g/mol]
Molecular Formula ClO2
H-Bond Donor 0
H-Bond Acceptor 1
Rotatable Bond Count 0
Exact Mass 66.958682
(not complete)


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pcsubstance&cmd=Link&LinkName=pcs...


Related Structures:

SID: 29291909
Compound ID: 24870
Source: ChemSpider (23251)
MW: 67.451800 g/mol | MF: ClO2

SID: 15321010
Compound ID: 24870
Source: Thomson Pharma (00167950)
MW: 67.451800 g/mol | MF: ClO2

SID: 11534148
CHLORINE DIOXIDE; dioxidochlorine(.); (OClO)(.) ...
Compound ID: 24870
Source: ChEBI (CHEBI:29415)
MW: 67.451800 g/mol | MF: ClO2

SID: 8168166
Compound ID: 24870
Source: DiscoveryGate (24870)
MW: 67.451800 g/mol | MF: ClO2

SID: 167668
Chloroperoxyl; Alcide; Chloryl radical ...
Compound ID: 24870
Source: ChemIDplus (010049044)
MW: 67.451800 g/mol | MF: ClO2*****************

Please notice that the moleculer data is the same. The difference bewteen the two molecules is that the chlorites, in whatever form, are molecules called ClO2, the Chlorine Dioxide molecules are ClO2- because they are negatively charged. Other than that, there's little difference.

I think the chlorite aspect has been played down because nobody wants to hear they're drinking chlorites.

Below is some basic information about WF10:


http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?sid=193656&viewopt=PubChe...


************Depositor-Supplied Synonyms: (Total: 15)

Ancloximex
Animexan
Oxocebron
Oxoferin [MeSH: tetrachlorodecaoxide]
Oxomexan
Oxovasin
Oxoviron
Oxilium
Oxovir
Ryoxon [MeSH: tetrachlorodecaoxide]
TCDO [MeSH: tetrachlorodecaoxide]
Tetrachlorodecaoxide [MeSH: tetrachlorodecaoxide]
Tetrachlorodecaoxygen [MeSH: tetrachlorodecaoxide]
WF 10
92047-76-2 [MeSH: tetrachlorodecaoxide]


Properties Computed from Structure: [Click for Info]
Molecular Weight 319.82128 [g/mol]
Molecular Formula Cl4H2O11-4
H-Bond Donor 1
H-Bond Acceptor 11
Rotatable Bond Count 0
Exact Mass 319.832172*********************

This is clearly not the same molecule as the ClO2, in whatever form.

This reference was posted earlier:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2921839


Tom stated:
***********"Sodium chlorite (NaClO2, 15 mM) is equivalent to undiluted Oxoferin."
[end quote]
I think we may be able to conclude that WF10 and TCDO are simply very dilute solutions of NaClO2.***********

In my opinion, this abstract is terribly written. It's unclear what the researcher means by "equivalent." Seeing the whole study would help. It's unclear, exactly, what the researcher did. As the abstract only mentions the following specific reactions, I would assume that he only wrote about what he researched. So, by "equivalent," I think he means in these ways. They obviously are not the same molecule.

********1. Oxoferin produces methaemoglobin even if diluted 500 fold, and leads to additional alterations if added in high concentrations to red cells. Sodium chlorite (NaClO2, 15 mM) is equivalent to undiluted Oxoferin. 2. Oxoferin in fiftyfold dilution damages fibroblasts in cell culture slowly and persistently. This dilution is equieffective with a 200 microM solution of sodium chlorite. Oxoferin and sodium chlorite also damage vascular endothelial cells. 3. The oxidation equivalent of Oxyoferin is 12.3 mM sodium chlorite.************

Given that informtion, I wouldn't think it's a good idea to get too much of this stuff. Also, it's very important that the studies out there, have not tested ingestion except for those few, inclusive and limited studies already long discussed. Here, they are testing I.V. and topical treatment for advanced AIDS patients, cancer patients, and chronic wound patients. They simply don't translate to drinking it.








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