That's exactly why I brought it up. I've read that and I've done the Liver Flushes which caused the pain to move around a bit. Sometimes it settles in the upper shoulder area, other times it goes from the right to left between the shoulder blades which is why I think it's probably "The Big One" that keeps escaping my efforts!! Usually, I start waking up at 1:59 a.m. unless I've had something to provoke my liver, then I wake up about 12:30 or 1:00.