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Gallbladder flush is amazing!!!!
I was diagonosed with multiple Gallstones of 6mm. I was in extreme pain. I did the flush in january 2014 for the first time and again after two weeks. I went for a full abdomen ultrasound after that and to my and radiologist's surprise NO STONES!!! The radiologist checked my gallbladder from all diretions and all positions but NO STONES!!!!
Thanks to Dr. Clark's reciepe of flush it is really amazing. I am planning to do another flush in March.
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The gallbladder is not large enough to hold 1000's of stones, so what you are passing are not gallstones.
The fact that they resemble what others are passing, (which are also not gallstones), this just adds to the evidence, of what you are passing, not being gallstones.
Do some research on how the body works, study some anatomy, that way you will know that the gallbladder cannot contain 1000's of stones.
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You are absolutely correct Spud. There is no way to pass a half inch stone through the bile ducts. So these clearly were not gallstones.
Like olive oil though, avocado contains fats and sterols, which as has been pointed out in past posts both contribute to the formation of these pseudostones. So more proof these so-called "liver flushes" are bogus.
LOL. So I suppose these things just popped out of thin air huh? LOL.
Why do the liver flush supporters always twist what was said? NOBODY said anything about out of thin air. The process of oil saponification and the formation of sterol-cholesterol complexes is very well known in science and has been explained here over and over an over....... The flush supporters do not want to hear the facts though so they ignore them when posted.
I'd also like to mention that I have been dealing with some serious pain in my liver area radiating up to my shoulder ever since getting off an ssri two months ago and much of the pain has been relieved. I feel much better than last night, when the pain was keeping me awake.
So you're telling me that somehow that the avocado that I ate morphed into thousands upon thousands of little stone like substances of varying color, hardness, and so on just like that? Why have I never had this happen to me before? I've eaten avocado in my life, and it's never happened.
The ONLY way that you could have possibly had thousands of stones in your gallbladder and were able to pass half inch stones through your bile ducts is if you are an alien from some other planet. Humans cannot pass real stones that large nor are their gallbladders large enough to hold that many real stones.
For fun though give us details about these "stones". Were they hard? Soft? Float? Sink? Color? Clear or opaque? What did the larger "stones" in particular look like?
I know human biology and I know that the gall bladder uses bile to break down fats. The high fat meal of avocados stimulated the bile flow which pushed out all of those stones. Pretty common sense if you ask me. I saved a few of them and plan to take them to the doctor to see what he says.
Take the half inch ones and have him explain to you how they CANNOT physically pass through the bile ducts after he stops laughing.
someone brought up a great point that if the stones are made in the intestine as a chemical reaction then all the greeks and middle eastern people and mediterraneans would be passing 'soap' in their stools for thousands of years.
First of all most people are not weird and obsessed enough to be picking through their feces to dig out small pieces of saponified olive oil. So this occurs a lot more frequently that people think, but most people don't dig through it and just flush.
And obviously the person making the claim did not understand how these so-called "stones" form. Some are from the saponification reaction in the intestines. The others are from a sterol-cholesterol complex. The later "stones" require not only the olive oil but also cholesterol from the bile. Regular ingestion of olive oil, such as in the Mediterranean diet, releases the bile from the gallbladder on a regular basis preventing the saturation of the bile with the cholesterol needed to form these "stones" in the intestines. See no magic involved, just simple science.
In addition they are not ingesting magnesium sulfate with meals. Did your friends consider the fact that the breakdown of the magnesium sulfate can form magnesium hydroxide increasing the saponification of the oil?
By the way they should also look up fecal soaps. They are normally formed from the reaction of alkalis on fats in the intestines. But again most people don't go looking for it in their feces. And the soaps don't always form globs that look like real gallstones.
Lmao !! Apparently you are HV! Why don;t you just admit it you don't have clue as to what you are talking about. If you have never tried a Liver/gallbladder flush you are speaking out of pure ignorance. Which to any who has is so obvious.
And just what do you say to those who have gotten stones without the olive oil ????????? This should be even funnier.
That is all you could come back with? No real evidence? That proves right there that you are clueless about the facts. After all, if you did have a clue what you were talking about then you would have responded with something rational such as evidence, or at least a decent explanation to how this bogus crap could actually work. But keep up with your feces fetish if this is what keeps you going through the day.
What is the diameter in millimeters of these "stones"? If you are not sure can you post photos next to a ruler?
They would be an odd color for real gallstones so what makes you think they are real gallstones and not something like a calcium oxalate complex?
Unfortunately I don't have a digital camera nor do I have a scanner for scanning regular photos. You will have to take my word for what I say. Some of these things that I passed are about 4mm; some are bigger because they consist of several stuck together.
Yet the bile ducts can only expand about 2mm maximum, even with dilation by magnesium sulfate. In other words these are too large to have come from the gallbladder through the bile ducts.
Some are dark brown; most look like, well, stones. You know - round pebbles. I didn't save everything that landed in the strainer, maybe 10% of them, or approx. 50 of these things I call "stones"
I make no claims for anything - only that I know what a "stone" is. Why would I care if it's calcium oxalate or a "real" stone - whatever that means? Are we supposed to have these calcium oxalate things in our bodies? If we are, why did they choose to come out?
Calcium oxalate can easily be formed from diet. Certain foods and drinks are high in oxalic acid such as rhubarb, kale, purslane, coffee, tea, etc. Oxalic acid is also formed from the breakdown of excess ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Oxalic acid readily binds with calcium forming an insoluble complex of calcium oxalate. Therefore ingesting oxalic acid and calcium sources at the same time can easily form "stones" in the digestive system. But these are not gallstones.
I looked up "gallstones" on itmonline. An article there by Subhuti Dharmananda, PhD. defines Gallstones as follows:
"Gallstones are primarily comprised of cholesterol and calcium, as calcium bilirubinate or calcium palmitate. Depending on the precise composition, the stones may be soft (more cholesterol) or relatively hard (more calcium). There may be a large number of small sticky stones, or just one large hard stone, as well as many intermediate conditions, such as a few medium size firm stones (see Figure 3). The presence of stones may be accompanied by inflammation of the gallbladder wall (cholecystitis). Cholecystis may stimulate stones to form, or the stones may induce such inflammation, with each condition progressively worsening the other."
Yes, this is all true. But the majority of real gallstones are cholesterol based and greenish. Bilirubin stones are more rare and are darker. But nether are grayish as you described these stones. Again this is why I say they are more likely calcium oxalate stones.
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