"The American people realized that with the Clinton program, government would dictate what diseases and the treatments you were allowed to have. So the Clinton’s program bit the dust — hard."
I don't think Bill and Hillary were intentionally trying to harm people and I feel the program did not work because it would have meant billions of dollars lost for the Gov't and big business. I don't think the American people woke up, they rarely do. They probably were sound asleep and woke up afterward. But, his program was not a total failure, because the Oregon Health Plan is still in tact. Big business (who never wanted the program in the first place) via the government (who always wants want big business wants) tried very hard to get rid of it. They even had the benefits cut and the qualifications raised. But, it is still hanging in there. And, Oregonians are so used to it, now, that hopefully they will wake up and fight if they ever try to take it away. The Oregon Health Plan, in my opinion (and I lived there for 37 years) is the best thing to hit Oregon since the Oregon Trail.
It's been 11 years since the law was inacted, if I read the post correctly. Has anyone seen an army of investigators invading doctors offices or doctors being thrown in jail far and wide? One would think that such an upheaval in mainstream medicine would have resulted in some major news stories by now. The only army of medical investigators I have noticed are the ones harassing the natural and alternative health practitioners and companies.
Bill and Hillary you say? Now THERE would have been a case of some real genius for you if ut were true that they collaborated to cause the creation of 132,720 pages of law! Given Bill's penchant for chasing skirts I am surprised that they were even talking with one another, much less cooperating on a scheme of such magnitude! LOL.
Not that I am saying that a scheme to create universal health care does not exist, just that the scheme for universal health care, and all aspects of health care, did not begin with Bill and Hillary and will not end with them either. Powers much greater than mere temporary political odd-couples occupying the white house are at play when it comes to our health and medicine.
Regarding the law, somehow I just don't see many doctors getting thrown in jail for clerical errors. Now, the ones who defraud the government and taxpayers by billing hundreds of thousands of phony medicare charges, yeah, they might deserve a bit of time out. Ironically it would still be at taxpayer's expense, but would represent a net savings nevertheless.
I believe that it is quite correct to say that Universal Health Care is a huge threat to our health and to our doctors - that, along with the suppression of our access to natural alternatives, would force everyone into a system of managed illness that rewards Big Pharma - your original and still number one threat to our country's health. Imho, it is far more important to keep our eyes and efforts on the issue of health freedom and access to natural and alternative health. Health care is horrific enough as it is - lose that access and any health care system we adopt will become a greater nightmare by far.
Figure out a system that removes the stranglehold Big Pharma has on our health and gives complete freedom of access to natural and alternative health while emphasizing and rewarding proper diet, nutrition and lifestyle and we would be well on our way to saving millions of lives, improving the quality of life for hundreds of millions and saving hundreds of billions of dollars in the process. Combine that with eliminating and reducing all the poisons in our food, water and air and . . . well, one can only wonder what a wonderful world it would be.
Greed and corruption are not medically treatable conditions though - that takes awareness, will power and social action. Can we wake up and do it? I don't know, but we better. And "educating instead of medicating" is a step in that direction.
I like Bill and Hillary, We could do a lot worse. In running the country, you have to choose between the lesser of the two evils always. And, they are, in my opinion.
"Given Bill's penchant for chasing skirts I am surprised that they were even talking with one another.
That's nasty. They seem to have worked through it. It didn't hamper his abilities. Don't get me wrong, I think a capitalistic system will keep the country in crisis always, but we can't fight city hall and people don't ban together in large enough groups to stand up and change the world. They are clueless as to how to do it and as to most of the corruption going on in the first place, so we are stuck with the system we have. I think Bill is incredibly intelligent. If he did everything we wanted or even part of it, he'd be shot and killed, so I do not blame him. You want to hold the highest office in the nation and at least have a little bit of an impact, you gotta play ball.
Actually, Clinton was one of my favorite presidents. Maybe I related to him too much, or maybe I was either too jaded or too realistic to hold anyone who occupies that office to very high moral standards.
Choosing the lesser of two evils? I once thought so too. I now know that in most instances it is really just choosing the same evil and choosing which face to put on the evil by going through the grand deception of belieiving that we have a truly democraticly elected form of governent when we really have only TWO real parties to represent 300 million people to choose between. Election after election, we are given the illusion of choice and fed two handpicked choices from a pool who those who really hold power in this country and the world have pre-approved and supported.
Other than perhaps a couple of truly hopeless candidates, the only candidate I believe that is not controlled and approved in this election is Ron Paul. I think he has little real chance, and if he were to make it would be in great jeapordy. Besides wanting true health freedom, he wants to abolish the Internal Revenue Service AND the privately owned Federal Reserve System . That is stepping on the biggest toes of all.
Yup, that's everything they taught us in college, and a whole lot more...for those of us "lucky" enough to take upper division soc.
At least with Clinton, you can listen to the guy talk and it is smooth and flowing and pleasant. We have had presidents that I absolutely could not stand to hear their voice. it was like fingernails on a chalkboard. I liked carter too, because of his soft-spoken nature. but, Reagan and George senior just made my skin crawl. they sound so full of $#$%#. george w is pretty close, only i find him so laughable that i don't pay it much attn. ford i didn't like to listen to because he was boring. but he didn't get on my nerves, just put me to sleep. i don't know how he got to be president, he has virtually no charisma.
if i had to have another republican, i would want arnold, but he can't run. i know he helps big business, but i think he's cool and tries hard at things. i don't think he's 100 corrupted. all our gov't does is use the little ppl to make all the money and support them and big business. and then they poison us with most of their products. and they con us into thinking they are looking out for us. that is exactly why I wrote this, because I just cannot figure it out: http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=1184&i=201
"What’s worse, Medicare forbids you to privately contract with your doctor to remove the lesions even if paid for by you. Your doctor would have to get out of the Medicare program for at least two years to accept a penny in direct payment from you."
Oh yes, I remember this one well! Back when I spent most of my life being ill and having to go to many doctors, I had to learn the ropes. If a doctor takes Medicare, but does not accept State Aid, and you have both Medicare and State Medical Aid (which many do who are under 65, because Medicare often doesn't cover everything), you will get rejected. So, I offered to pay cash. The dr explained that he can lose his license if he accepted cash. This was a dr I had gone to for years before I had become disabled, but when I became disabled, I was forced to no longer see him. And, get this, he was one of the drs who established my disability in the first place! The only thing I could do was write to the state and ask that they drop me from their medical plan. That would mean I would lose some things covered and in the long run, it could cost me a lot and I was not able to work to pay it all. I was very sad and missed that dr. He was my long time Chiroprator since I was 15. So, when I went to get another dr, whether it be medical or other, I would call on the phone to see what ins they took. If they took both, it was no problem. if they only took Medicare, I would lie and tell them I only had Medicare. Then, I could see them. If I told them the truth, they would have said no. In fact, I had some question me a little, asking if I was sure I only had Medicare. I didn't faulter, stood firm and lied through my teeth. I didn't want to end up at the county health dept with everyone else waiting hours to see a subpar dr who was just going to refer me to a specialist anyway.