There was a post a few days ago in the News form with regarding the shift of the earth's axis this past December. I am thinking this is rather big news.
Prehaps a new forum called: Axis Shift/Global Warming might be appropriate...and/or move that post into a few other forums (including the chemtrail debate, as it is mentioned in the link of that post that this is what the chemtrails are all about) where it might get more attention. And since there has been so much debate over global warming, maybe even a debate forum comparing the two ideas as well....
Right off the bat I have questions, as the shift only happened last December (in 2006) and the weather changes preceded it by many years, although the shift could be due to the melting of the ice caps...which would tie it into global warming...
I would love to hear some of the more knowledgeable minds in this communty discuss this, hopefully without so much ego and anger about who is right and who is wrong, as getting to the root of the problem is in everyone's best interest and there really isn't any right or wrong.
Axis shift could simply be added under the description in the Global waring forum. Chemtrails is a debate forum and Global Warming is not a debate forum. Chemtrails are much more controversial than Global Warming. Why? Only because it would be being done to everyone; It would make everyone sick. I'm not debating it, just explaining why people think it is controversial. I don't think there is a great deal of debate over global warming any longer. It is pretty evident. The only real debate is if it is dangerous to our existence on the planet.
"I would love to hear some of the more knowledgeable minds in this communty discuss this, hopefully without so much ego and anger about who is right and who is wrong."
Then, you darn sure don't want to put it in a debate room, because you have perfectly described them!
I guess you are right about that (the anger thingy on debates)...but there has been a lot of debate as to whether global warming exists or not....and maybe some of the angst could be shiphoned off in a debate forum.
At any rate, I am interested in a forum that deals with this axis issue in and of itself as well as any connection it has with global warming. Maybe they are one and the same, and maybe not.
To my way of thinking, if there is going to be another shift (???) and it is bigger and not as gentle as this first one was (???) and it happends in 2012 (???) all these other forums are pretty much moot.
The axis link says that the chemtrails are being done by the government to ease the weather due to all of this stuff (but I take note that they started long before the shift) and that they are filled with aluminum and other obnoxious stuff that causes disease because the more of us that gets sick and dies off, the less there will be to feed and keep warm/cool. So moving that post to the chemtrail forum is most appropriate. (I think) It certainly does no harm. The more people we have taking a look at all this and trying to get at the truth, the better.
Some Issues aside from the ???s above:
I pray that Mother Earth will be gentle with us. She can be. These first two shifts were gentle, and IF there are more they could be too... or not.
Where are the best places to relocate?
Stockpiling enough food for the rest of your life is absurd. Trying to grow your own in such unstable weather conditions is not likely to happen for the masses who don't know how or have no land. On the other hand, living in communes with greenhouses....that could work.
Chemtrails are much more controversial than Global Warming. Why?
However controversial these two topics actually are, do you suppose the chemtrail topic would would remain as controversial if A) it had been loudly trumpeted and smeared all over and through the media during the recent years in the effort to raise people's awareness of the topic?; B) had a concerted global effort working on it's behalf by way of so-called experts from around the globe having recently convened for the purpose of issuing their proclamation that the topic is what they say it is regardless of evidence to the contrary and regardless of dissenting opinion?
In multiple ways, Chemtrails V Global Warming are and have been at opposite ends of the attention/awareness spectrum. They have certainly been at opposite ends of media attention, the former getting little to no attention with the exception generally being those few occasions when a media outlet uses their airwaves to mention Chemtrails only as a pretext for characterizing as looney, fanatical, unstable crazy people those who claim that Chemtrails are a significant problem. Meanwhile, global warming has benefited from the opposite effect; anyone who has the opinion that global warming is not the problem it's been manufactured into being, anyone who refuses to accept the establishment agenda on global warming, anyone who dissents or disagrees with the establishment agenda for global warming is immediately characterized as a looney, fanatical, unstable crazy person. Even the Weather Channel's expert meteorlogical executive Ms Heidi is on public record recently stating as much and qualifying with her own opinion (paraphrased) "any person who dissents or disagrees with the establishment agenda on Global Warming should be put in jail!". As if this kind of media thinking is not scarey enough, since hearing Ms Heidi issue that proclamation, I've actually bumped into a few people who claim to support that kind of thinking....... ?
Can you cite one sample period of time that you can definitely remember the topic of Chemtrails being given adequate, thorgouh and fair attention via the press/media? An unspoken message I get is that by having characterized Chemtrails as "controversial", that what you really mean to say is that the topic "should be dismissed..... because it's controversial...duh". It does not seem fair to dismiss/characterize a topic as "controversial" simply because it it a topic generally ignorred, played down and mostly not ever talked about via the public airwaves. Again, the opposite effect has been in play with Global Warming; the mass public attention & treatment it's been given has not been genuine, has not been fair, but has occured in large part by way of decree..... it is what we say it is and that's that!
"An unspoken message I get is that by having characterized Chemtrails as "controversial", that what you really mean to say is that the topic "should be dismissed..... because it's controversial...duh". It does not seem fair to dismiss/characterize a topic as "controversial" simply because it it a topic generally ignorred, played down and mostly not ever talked about via the public airwaves."
She was asking about combining a debate forum with a non-debate forum. I pointed this out. Global Warming is not a debate forum because it is not as controversial as Chem trails. I don't make the rules. Don't get nutso about it.
"..... Global Warming is not a debate forum because it is not as controversial as Chem trails.
That's right. And Ohfor07 just spent a great deal of time explaining why this is so, I guess his typing was in vain. Fact is, he was absolutely right on in his keen asessment. Global Warming
should be in a debate forum, as much as Chemtrails ought to be a subject over which the public should be outraged. But apparently there must be a reason why the PTB have chosen to allow extensive hoopla over one subject and not another. Media controlled minds do not want to know.
I have no opinions about either, in so much as, don't know any of the details of either one. I heard the temperature of the planet went up and that is all I know.
I was replying to the poster about one being a debate room and one not being one in terms of the combining of the rooms. I don't care that they are what they are. If you want the rooms changed, ask the webmaster.
"Earth's Axis Tilt Has recently increased by an additional 26 degrees"
Sorry, I personally think it is total load of Bull$hift.
Anyone who knows anything about GPS (Global Positioning System), knows that such shift would render all GPS calculations ineffective.
GPS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_6yeGcpoyE
In other words, if you would have one of those little navigation devices (Garmin) in your car, the device would think that you are in Canada while you were in USA.
Millions of people and devices around the earth are using GPS.
Even if Earth axis would move just for one single degree, it would not point anymore toward the Polaris (North Star), and anyone could see that motion.
Don't take my word for it. Test my words!
Take a camera, place it on tripod, aim at Polaris (during a night), and take one shot every few minutes.
Make a movie out of those pictures, and you will see that sky is still rotating around the Polaris.
If the sky still rotates around the Polaris, it means that "Axis Shift 26 degrees" story is bullshift.
Do not believe everything you read on CureZone. Many CureZone pages are loaded with crap. Some people just love crap.
Do you have a slightest idea how many satellites are just now rotating around the Earth?
I use to work everyday with Ikonos satellite. Ikonos is in a polar orbit around the earth:
Almost all satellites would be useless in case of "Axis Shift 26 degrees"
Do you have satellite dish?
Every single satellite dish user would have to move their antenna for 26 degrees in order to catch the same satellites. And, they would have to keep moving, as communication satellites were in equatorial orbit.
With "Axis Shift 26 degrees", those satellites would be 26 degrees off Equator, alternating during the day, between 26 degrees North and 26 degrees South.
That means that people who are using satellite dishes, would have to keep moving dish all day long, between 26 degrees North and 26 degrees South.
Have you seen any of your neighburs with a satellite dish doing that?
Do you ever watch weather on TV?
Do you see those fresh pictures of Earth and clouds taken from space?
Those pictures are taken from Meteosat satellites.
Shifting of 26 degrees would make all those pictures impossible.
There are real motions of Earth axis. Learn about them.
Known motions are called: Chandler Wobble, Milankovitch Cycles & Precession of the equinoxes.
Chandler Wobble
The irregular motion of the earth's axis of rotation, know as Chandler Wobble, was determined on the basis of Doppler observations of Navy Navigation Satellites. Measurement precisions of about 0.5 meters have been obtained for averaging times of six days. Agreement with astronomical determinations is better than one meter over the last two years. The discrepancies are no longer than differences between results for different groups of observatories as reported by the Bureau International de L'Heure and the International Polar Motion Service.
Chandler Wobble From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Chandler wobble is a small variation in Earth's axis of rotation, discovered by American astronomer Seth Carlo Chandler in 1891. It amounts to 0.7 arcseconds over a period of 433 days. In other words, Earth's poles move in an irregular circle of 3 to 15 metres in diameter, in an oscillation. This is in addition to the precession of the equinoxes, a larger oscillation which takes over 25,000 years to complete.
The wobble's diameter has varied since discovery, reaching its most extreme range recorded to date in 1910. The cause is unknown: barring any external force, the wobble should have eventually subsided. Originally it was believed that the wobble was caused by seasonal weather fluctuations causing shifts in atmospheric mass distribution, or possible geophysical movement beneath Earth's crust. On 18 July 2000, however, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory announced that "the principal cause of the Chandler wobble is fluctuating pressure on the bottom of the ocean, caused by temperature and salinity changes and wind-driven changes in the circulation of the oceans."[1]
The Chandler wobble is a factor considered by satellite navigation systems (especially military systems). It is also claimed to be the cause of major tectonic activity, including earthquakes, volcanism, El Niño, and global warming phenomena, however there is no actual data which supports such a claim.
During the first hour of the national radio broadcast of Coast to Coast AM on January 28, 2006, Lloyd Stewart Carpenter reported that the Chandler wobble had stopped (i.e. its amplitude had reduced to zero) and that it could be a harbinger of a catastrophic pole shift. In fact there was a near six week period in which a significant pause occurred. This was first noted by the International Earth Rotation Service on or about January 5, 2006 as the path of the wobble, usually a widening or tightening spiral depending on the depth of the cycle, made a 90° departure from its predicted track. It proceeded to cease any substantial movement until on or about February 11th when the wobble appeared to begin tracing a path back toward its normal route. This anomaly has been of great interest in gaining a better understanding, but it is not yet known if this has or will cause any catastrophic changes in the overall rotation axis of the planet.[citation needed]
The Chandler wobble changes over time, with U.S. Navy data over the past several years showing the wobble has diminished as of mid-late 2005. However, this is likely transient, as the wobble has increased and decreased many times in the past and will likely do so a great many more times in the future.
Milankovitch Cycles
The Serbian astronomer Milutin Milankovitch (1879–1958) developed a theory that explained climatic variations in astrophysical terms. He was particularly concerned with the origin of an ice age during the Pleistocene. Through observations of the stars, Milankovitch found that the basic elements that govern the earth's orbit around the Sun are not constant. First, he noticed that the eccentricity of the elliptical path of the earth's revolution around the Sun changes with cycles of roughly 100,000 and 400,000 years. Second, he found that the obliquity, that is the angle of the earth's spin axis with the plane of its eccentric orbit changes with a frequency of roughly 41,000 years between 22 and 25 degrees. Third, he took into consideration that the earth's axis of revolution behaves like the spin axis of a top that is winding down. The spin axis traces a circle on the celestial sphere over a period of approximately 22,000 years. This motion, which is called the precession of the equinoxes, was probably detected by Hipparch of Nikaia (about 150 B.C.). It is the reason why a person then Aries-born, is born under the sign of Pisces today.
In 1920, Milankovitch calculated the effect of each of these cycles on the total summer insulation at a latitude of 65 degrees North. He reasoned that at this latitude, small insulation changes might have a big effect because a decrease of the summer insulation allowed the snow and ice of winter to persist through the summer months, and into the following winter. In this way, big ice sheets can develop and accelerate in a positive feed-back through enhancing the northern latitude albedo.
It required a few decades for the theory to have its break-through. Today, however, it is generally accepted that Milankovitch's theory describes the main causes for the waxing and waning of the Pleistocene ice sheets correctly. Proof for this theory is derived from cyclic variations of the chemical and paleontological composition of marine, lacustrine, and terrestrial sediments. Investigations into the temporal variation of the ratio of oxygen isotopes in particular have shown that Milankovitch cycles do indeed influence the climate greatly on time scales covering thousands to hundreds of thousands of years, although continental distribution, ocean patterns, the total solar irradiance, and other factors play an additional role. The Sun, for instance, is obviously a prominent factor for climatic variations on a time scale between years to a few thousand years, which is summarized in the socalled Athenian hypothesis.
Precession of the equinoxes: cycle (ca 26,000 years)
The Earth's rotation axis is not fixed in space. Like a rotating toy top, the direction of the rotation axis executes a slow precession with a period of 26,000 years (see following figure).
Pole Stars are Transient
Thus, Polaris will not always be the Pole Star or North Star. The Earth's rotation axis happens to be pointing almost exactly at Polaris now, but in 13,000 years the precession of the rotation axis will mean that the bright star Vega in the constellation Lyra will be approximately at the North Celestial Pole, while in 26,000 more years Polaris will once again be the Pole Star.
Precession of the Equinoxes
Since the rotation axis is precessing in space, the orientation of the Celestial Equator also precesses with the same period. This means that the position of the equinoxes is changing slowly with respect to the background stars. This precession of the equinoxes means that the right ascension and declination of objects changes very slowly over a 26,000 year period. This effect is negligibly small for casual observing, but is an important correction for precise observations.
The Dawning of the Age of Aquarius (Almost)
Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the vernal equinox moves through all the constellations of the Zodiac over the 26,000 year precession period. Presently the vernal equinox is in the constellation Pisces and is slowly approaching Aquarius.
Ever since I read this post, can't get that saying out of my mind. It reminds me of the time years ago when I couldn't get the user IDAlabaster_Mushroom out of my head!