Grz you are much more intelligent and stable then v. He had to get rid of you, just as he is trying to get rid of Uni and Neil and others. He is a control freak with a 99% critical parent personality. V is the F.D.A. of that forum. He aligned himself with Trapper so he could have some one dumber than him. Trapper is easy to control, because he doesn’t have a personality of his own If you go to
http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/mainmenu.htm
, and click on health you will see him trying to act as V. It is quite comical. He admits on cure zone to not taking CO-Q10 or Z water but over there he is an experienced expert. Why Wombat has aligned herself with these two is anybody’s guess.

In the old un hijacked forum all real human feelings were allowed, ( mad sad glad scared and sexual ). The control freaks just could not stand this. A very important forum is now being governed by critical parent personalities. How sad. But they have a group of apologist, and ass kissers over there that keeps the forum going.

They are always bragging about the hits they are getting, but as humans we are drawn to Peyton place. Not much to learn over there any more. The learning was done when mad, sad, glad, scared, and sexual was allowed.

If anybody want to know what a critical parent personality is read the book Born To Win by James and Jongeward. We hated those types in the 60

Yelrah the troll: EOM.

there is no going back... there is only moving on... to where... no one can really be certain...

it is true... when something arises that is unique and as full of life as I-supp forum had become, it is rare phenomenon. In the beginning things are new… fresh… it occurs out of a spontaneous flow of creative energy... alive … moving freely …it has an attraction… that draws others… inviting and alluring to others… welcoming to all to take part in…

Unfortunately, this newness will not remain.. it [sooner or later] becomes stale and old… like other establishments that have preceded…

and it happens in this way…
when human mind gets involved, as in the moderating of one's own forum, it is most probable that this creative energy will move toward becoming more stagnant.. unless one, as a moderator, is truly aware himself… knows himself … knows what his mind is capable of…

Everyone has the same potential... of going over the deep end... by the positions of power and prestige that one attains… this can easily be seen in this world at large…
As the old adage goes "power corrupts..." And everyone is subject to this corruption... everyone!

It is a matter of whether one has achieved the position of power or not...if he does, then, this is when the test begins... the position of having power merely magnifies the potential that lay within each one of us... failing or passing the test depends on the sharpness of one's intelligence... and more so, the ability of tapping into one’s own intelligence in order to avoid taking the fall or taking the road less traveled …as most politicians are unable to do… as most people in positions of power seem hopeless to avoid… and can not resist from doing. It runs on all levels of human endeavor…

Intelligence is the direct connection with the source of one’s being… everyone has it… it is the very energy that wells up from the depths our existence... from where we all are connected to each other... it is the source of all truly great creativity.
But this access has the potential of becoming blocked and covered over by obsessive mental activities… emotional repressions… over indulgences, etcetera... Understand that intelligence is different from intellect… as the intellect serves the ego… and the ego is a false entity… it does not have a real existence of its own… it lives off the accumulation of knowledge from others… from borrowed information… and from past experiences.

Ego [intellect] wants to claim it knows… and knows it all … and that it is the one that makes it all happen... wanting all the credit. But in actuality, it knows only about the past and what it has learned from others… from other sources… it is not capable of dealing with unpredictable events… of the day to day life experiences… it is powerless when it comes to that which it knows nothing about… the new… the different… the unknown parts of existence… it cannot be creative. It is only good at being destructive...

Because of this, ego becomes very good at hiding this inability to be spontaneous... so others cannnot see it… it becomes so good at concealing and covering this up that it is able to hide this fact even from oneself... And so with this... to help keep this fact hidden... the ego becomes very skilled at calculating... manipulating... planning for future... making agendas... and keeping situations well controlled… for in a contolled environnment, situations can be more predictable, so the ego can become more successful... as a result, those that are thought to be a threat to establishing a controlled situation... those that are thought to be antagonists, agitators or disrupters are either evicted and/or persuaded to depart the scene...

Soon the energy is not moving as freely… becomes more stagnated... the situation becomes less attractive to be around… and people become more and more dis-interested… and the situation spirals downward... The entity that once was very alive, becomes more and more like any other dead establishment… old, unchanging… part of the past… another part of the graveyard.

This is just another repetition of the past. The past keeps repeating itself because man [as a collecticve] remains unaware of himself… of the workings of his mind… the ways it clings to the past… hence, history goes on repeating itself…
It can not be avoided unless man is truly dedicated to waking himself up… becoming discontinuous with his past. It is an arduous affair, but not an impossibility.

This is not to say that Iodine supplementation is not a good form of therapy... this only pertains to the forum as such. All therapies are good when they can bring the dis-eased or ill individual to the point where he can take care of himself. At which point the therapy will no longer be needed.

peace...

THE END OF Iodine SUPPORT FORUM LIFE AS YOU HAVE COME TO KNOW IT: Date: 6/18/2007

//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=899629

This forum has now changed it's name.
It has also been converted into a private forum.
New forum owners are VWT Team: Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper/kcmo.
Forum owners are also forum moderators. They rule.
They don't even have to follow the will of the majority as expressed in the recent Iodine Survey.
They can take your posting privileges on this forum with a single click.


IODINE IN THE BEGINNING: FULL OF INNOCENCE

//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=878548

Who would make a good moderator?
If:
- you love this forum and you like forum posters
- you enjoy helping other people
- you have been on CureZone 2 months or longer
- you posted at least 20 messages on CureZone or more
- you are moderated person
- you never get into conflicts
- you never flame, trigger or invite conflicts
- you are able to calm down arguments and conflicts
- you are a good leader
- you are a good team member
- you understand CureZone TOS and you agree with the terms
- you understand CureZone Forum Guidelines and you agree with the Guidelines
- you are easy going
- you don't take offense to the posts that are controversial
- you look at messages and you decide with an open mind
- you read this forum at least 2-3 times a week, (best every day)
- you are able to answer every question in a friendly manner
- you are cool
then, you could possibly make a good moderator.

Wow I did not know that U have been banned from Iodine forum? Who bans u BTW?

I have never been banned from any forum so far, but I was very close to getting banned from Liver-Flush support forum. LOL ( I just hate the concept of LFing ) :)))

BTW, megadosing of Iodine hurt me a lot. It was not as easy for me. I have come to realise that Iodine is being falsely protrayed as some "super mineral".

There are some ppl who are unnecessarily getting over enthusiastic abt this Iodine and trying to attract all the crowd in CZ. Its like a mass hysteria.

Lot of naive ppl are getting caught in the frenzy....

Too bad they´ve mobbed you (Grz) off the Iodine support forum.... I remember when the forum started that YOU gave all of us lots of very valuable information and would like to THANK you for same. Also love the way you tried to take and make the best of both the Acid-Alk. and the Iodine forum - thereby educating and broadening our perspectives, instead of falling into that same idolizing category - belittling the achievements of other. One BIG ego trip is what i see here and the fact that one moderator can play GOD on "HIS" forum is not what curezone is about. Maybe thats the reason why i intuitively stopped visiting the Iodine support forum as regularly as i used to, tho i must admit that I appreciate Wombat´s enormous contribution and support. Her comments come as a big surprise and not in keeping with the "person" that had been shining thru all along.
Keep up the good work GRZ! We all really need some moderation and its fantastic what you´ve achieved with the CZ education!

Grz (and all others with interest & 'eyes to see'...and time to read - lol),

I've been following the forum/debate forum/your posts for the last couple of days, and I'd started a LONG email to ya...but lost it in a brief electrical outage. Actually, that may have been 'serendipity', as I probably-really should have posted it all here...because it's really important for 'issues' to be where they can publicly be seen (for the benefit of ALL posters so they can use their own discernment to determine motives and 'truths'). And SO much has been 'hidden' on the Iodine Forum in these recent months that it's virtually impossible for folks TO see much of anything (except videos and "yes men/women", of course - lol). So losing a three page email seems 'for the best' at this point...at least it's best for MY true agenda, which is the health and well-being of my fellow humans. (and of course, since knowledge IS the key to health, this post is one I consider worthy of taking the time to create...and risking the inevitable backlash that will occur when I attempt to share further on the Iodine forum). Onward...

Firstly, it's a travesty & a major injustice that you were banned Grz. The potential harm that comes from your inability to post and share your experiences and knowledge could/will negatively impact MANY people seeking knowledge on that forum. It was a sad day to read that you'd been banned (just like it has been both sad and frustrating for me to deal with the threats of banning & post deletions recently). We've ALL seen V utilize far worse/degrading name calling than 'fear monger', yet he's not been banned for the same or worse (I'm assuming the 'fear monger' comment was the reason you were given for being banned...since the 'meat' of your post was deleted, but the 'fear monger' phrase was left intact). But it is NOT true 'name calling' (or negative in ANY way) to see a person killing another person and call them a murderer...it's simply the truth. And one MUST identify the wrongness/error (or 'murder') to be able to illuminate a situation with the Light of Truth and dispel the negative aspects. And that's what you were doing, clearly. It IS fear-mongering to associate parasite eggs with kelp on an Iodine forum (without clearly pointing out that EVERY morsel of food from the earth that we put into our bodies is covered/filled with parasite eggs). We all could search through hundreds of his posts and clearly show that V is relatively closed to iodine supplementation from sources other than Lugol's or Iodoral (even though he's reported taking another form occasionally in the Svent-Gyorgi/1000mg daily threads)...but even when asked, (as far as I know from my reading) he never would say exactly what form of iodine he utilized). There's only one way to not be labeled a "something you're doing-er"...and that's to stop doing the thing that you're doing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with anyone that clearly identifies a negative action and associates it with a person that does it consistently. If the 'do-er' doesn't like the name? Well, then, it's their responsibility to stop the action that causes the label...not (lol) ban the person that pointed it out.

Secondly, the reason it's such a travesty is because unjust censorship of posts, deletion of posts, and banning of posters without due fairness & consideration IS THE VERY REASON THE VWT TEAM CLAIMED that the forum was made private in the first place...without first even bothering to ask the forum participants if that was something they might want to consider - or giving the participants the opportunity to chose whom they felt would make good 'owners'. Yet the VWT team has now deleted/altered the content of both your posts and mine, threated me with several deletions & bannings...not to mention the several emails I've received from various posters indicating they've had posts deleted or have been threatened with banning. And that's not even counting the one's like Neil and ways_of_wisdom, that we can kind of figger out posts/responses are *missing* - and myriads of other disrespectful/accusations answers for offering opinions or asking questions that were extremely 'on topic' and screaming to be answered with researched knowledge.

The aspect of this that is MOST saddening & frustrating to me? If someone tells you clearly the reason they're doing something is to prevent unfair censorship so that a true/honest flow of information can be exchanged in a field so 'pioneer-ish' as iodine supplementation...and then they immediately start unfairly censoring posts and banning posters that are attempting to share/question/learn...how in the world can the information on the forum ever be considered to be a "truth in health"???

(***Think allopathic medicine: we ALL know the corruption and invalid aspects of the BigPharma/allopathic 'scientific' studies and their "posts": weed anyone out of the study that doesn't have the results they want; report only the positive benefits and none of the negative; praise yourself constantly for being the 'finder' of the substance...then market it without every allowing the real truth to be seen. And of course, blame the end-user if any negative symptom presents themselves***).

Sigh...that sounds WAY familiar, eh? It seems to this ole gal that yelrah's comment >>V is the F.D.A. of that forum<< certainly has enough validity for consideration.

Regarding iodine supplementation - there's just no doubt in my mind (from the clinical studies of the allopathic MD's) that most humans have a severe depletion of iodine. There's also no doubt that iodine chelates many of the bad chemicals & metals we have stored in our body. There's also incredibly positive truths about the variety of dis-eases iodine supplementation prevents and cures. BUT (just like the *** above) there's also no doubt that we have NOT SEEN the 'clinical studies of the allopathic MD's' of those that didn't complete the course of treatment and/or discontinued the iodine due to adverse effects - their symptoms, reasons & what they dealt with when supplementing. There have been PLENTY of what-seemed-to-be-perfectly-safe substances that saved people's lives (think: penicillin, an Antibiotic derived from a natural mold)...but after years (or even weeks/months) of taking it to prevent disease, the effects on the body are horrific. (Yes, I KNOW that iodine is a natural element we truly need, and that nobody every died of 'pencillin insufficiency'), but the thought-process and 'health truths' surrounding things like penicillin are VERY applicable to something as new as long-term iodine supplementation. Penicillin prevented DEATH & disease; it was touted as a miracle substance; it was given to millions...but it turned out to be a very bad thing. There have been MANY truly natural substances over the decades that have been touted as miracles, that in the short-run, really were. But in the long run, the body got way too much of a substance that was truly good, and it became truly bad. Is this true of iodine? NOBODY KNOWS. I remember asking in the early days of the forum something like "...but what if a human ingests TOO MUCH? the studies say it's safe..." (or something like that)... and V replied, "you could die" and gave a link to another poster showing how easy it is to die from too much water. I laughed it off at the time, knowing that V was 'major pro iodine'...but now that we're starting to see reports of a few adverse effects in those that have the time to become iodine sufficient & continue taking it in larger amounts....well, the only conclusion I can come to is that the need for a totally open, uncensored flow of information and exchange of thoughts & experiences is even more essential than it was before. But now that's more unlikely than it's ever been on CZ (well, except of course, for the M/L - M/H forums - where people learned long ago not to EVER argue with the owners 'outloud').

We know from the studies of thousands of people, that after 1-3 months of 50mg of Lugol's or Iodoral daily, the body starts throwing off (detoxing itself) from ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of what is ingested. So what happens to the body if one continues to take 50-500mg daily for days, weeks, months, years AFTER the point of the body being restored to sufficiency? NOBODY KNOWS. What I do know is that several people (myself included) have reported various adverse effects and strong evidence or testimony that it could have only been the iodine. And in each and every case (that I've read/been aware of) members of the VWT team have apparently done their best to accuse the person with the adverse effect and chalk it up to something other than iodine. (Although, they always 'say', IF you feel you're getting too much, then back off...which is something I do respect about everybody on the forum).

Learning: 'Tis either putting in knowledge where there was previously no knowledge OR new/more correct knowledge comes in and replaces erroneous thinking. In the "good old days" of the Iodine Forum , when someone said 'their knowledge' others were free to share their (even if it was in direct conflict). This created a thread of people sharing various insights and usually a 'truth' was found. This was good for everybody (especially for the one that had the erroneous thinking...as that person now had the chance to 'knock it aside' and replace it with a true). In the past months since the forum has become private, I have seen SEVERAL incorrect statements, ideas (and one supplemental protocol that has the potential to limit iodine absorbtion). I have received (conservatively) 50 different emails asking my thoughts (which I have freely given). Many of the responses were the same: "That's what I thought, but I'd NEVER post that either...one of the owners would delete it or ban me OR they'd attack me and it would end up in the thread of total nonsense and waste of time). Folks, this kind of restrictive (even fearful) environment is NOT conducive to true learning and knowledge exchange.

One last thing before closing: the apparent "success" of the Iodine Forum based upon "hits". PUHLEEZ. First of all, popularity, mega-participants, and major amounts of people following 'strong' personalities has NOTHING whatsoever to do with true health, healing OR the 'success' of a forum...well, except for the advertising dollars it successfully adds. If popularity decided what was truly 'good'...then fluoride & mercury fillings would be good. Pick any 4 pages of the forum since the transfer of ownership...count the O/T comments & videos and the amount of ON topic comments. Even a quick scan shows that many pages are more than HALF "pure fluff" There's simply no excuse at all for the forum owners to continue touting "hit numbers" & associating them with the validity of iodine supplementation!!! There's no association WHATSOEVER...but there are MANY people taking iodine on that forum that truly believe that because there's so many 'hits' and the forum is so "successful" that they're doing the right thing...and that those of us that are exercising caution and expecting the right to post without censorship or fear of post deletion/banning are somehow "jealous" of the forum's "success" (a "success" based upon "hits"?).

I apologize in advance for not having the time to respond to many/any of the posts that this post may inspire. (And I'm certainly NOT going to make the time to respond to anyone attacking or lying about me and my true purpose or agenda). My purpose and agenda have been the same for my entire 'natural healing' life...to HELP PEOPLE LEARN & FIND THE TRUTHS FOR THEMSELVES, to see the vast similarities between "the sellers of pharmaceuticals" and the "sellers of 'natural' healing", and to help them along their way if they hit a stumbling block. When we as humans are hurt or saddened, many times we DO react in anger...but this post/thinking is NOT based on anger, nor is it angrily written or inspired. And although at first I was very hurt AND angry that a select group of people had decided for themselves to make a public forum private (without respectfully asking the rest of the 'public'), I got over it as soon as I understood that the reasoning was to ENSURE that future posts/posters would never be unfairly censored, have posts deleted, or be banned unfairly. And yes, I've experienced anger when I've had posts deleted with no reason given and been falsely accused of having an 'agenda', and then having my responses to that accusation deleted). I have since come to see quite clearly that this 'true freedom' has NOT happened. What has happened IS my simple agenda (and reason for this post)...to share/tell Grz I am truly sorrowful that he's been banned and to elucidate to others just how constrictive and censored the people and information on the VWT forum have become...has remained consistent & true. This unfair censorship leads to "whole truths" NOT being given or considered. It leads to misinformation by ommission. And it leads to those in power ensuring that ONLY their agenda, purpose and conclusions are the ones that are seen (and to which all other reactions: postive or adverse) are weighed and measured against. And this is opposite of true natural health and healing; it has the same mindset, "ego", agenda, and lack of information of Big Pharma, the FDA and allopathic medicine. Whether or not any of the forum owners see this, believe it, or care about it...???? 'Tis not my job, man (lol). Many of us DO see it, believe it and care about it immensely. And I, for one, am going to risk my next/future posts being banned or deleted from the VWT Iodine Forum , in order to let my words be seen by others. (At least I know, that for the 3 1/2 hours it took me to compose this, that it can't be deleted by someone accusing me of having an agenda or those whose can't admit the truth...and that what I've said will be left intact be considered by others so that THEY can discern for THEMSELVES what the truth actually is).

Healthiest of blessings to EVERYBODY!

Unyquity