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A reminder here- although Lugol and formulas derived from it do not appear to have had notorious effects over the years that IODINE/IODIDE is NOT the one found in the Kelp and sea weeds related products..
One can check this website which is still one of the best in regards to Iodine/iodide
http://lewisford.info/iodide.html
I am of the view that any inert mineral will accumulate and stay inside the body and eventually cause it harm..
Japanese get their iodine/iodide from sea weeds ,etc..
I am also taking Kelp besides Lugol. However wither Kelp ? Some recommend the one from NOW or Atlantic Kelp from Nova Scotia or from the West Coast- Oregon /Hawaii ?
Studies have shown that Japanese Kelp has the highest concentration of iodine/iodide then comes the oen from Hawaii and Oregon..
In food health stores most of their Kelp seem to come from the Atlantic region..as it is cheaper..
Some food outlets are now starting to sell "ionic iodine". Unsure if just marketing ploy or ?
Iodine/iodide from sea weed extracts that has the full Iodine complex go for about $40 per 2 oz bottle(?) or so..Has anyone tried it ?
Note-I am not health practitioner or scientist but I do urge people to be level headed and not go overboard.The last thing we need are 1 or 2 deaths by over Iodine consumption..as the bought and paid media would blare it all accross the US/Canada to effectively have it banned for good..
And yes the FDA could oblige the pet shops to sell an inferior Iodine product that could contain stuff(additives,stabilizers,whatever) making it unfit for human consumption..
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MoreThis is a reply to # 852,082Here are a few links to my previous post..I have yet to try these iodine related products..Thus if anyone has been taking them please do inform thsiForum in this thread.. http://risingstarlc.com on that website CLICK on MODIFILAN (Laminario Japonica) which is pure brown sea weed extract in vege caps Also on U-Fn (fucoidan which is the concentrated caps form (and more expensive) Another place that sells Modifilan only (?) and somawhat at a cheaper price is: http://www.modifilan-seaweed-extract.com/ Notes: In a recent article(April 2007) in W de G [ Walter de Gruyter]scientsts discovered a cheap method of indentifying the amount of iodine/iodide ,re "Concentrations of iodide and total iodine in edible seaweeds harvested on the Galician Coast(Northwest Spain)" they basically found out that most of the iodine is present as iodide in brown seaweed samples(90 % of total iodine), while redseaweeds have iodide percentage lower than 30%, and green seaweeds a percentage lower than 80 % http://www.atypon-link.com/WGD/doi/abs/10.1515/BOT.2007.006?cookieSet=1&journ...
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- Re: Iodine vs Kelp vs Ionic vs natur... 23rd Psalm
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This is a reply to # 852,110You are thinking along the same lines that I am. I, too, have been concerned that if someone overdoses, the powers that be would love to step in and take all Iodine away from us. Scary thought.
A couple of M.D.s said they tried the orthoiodosupplementation (50 Mg.?) along with a couple other folks and that at about six weeks they all experienced GERD. Whether they are being honest about this, who knows. But I do know that overdosing on things can cause the very things they cured. Our bodies don't like it. I can locate this information about those M.D.s if anyone hasn't heard this. These doctors seemed to be relying on Gaby's info., so maybe they are just trying to go in the opposite direction from Flechas/Abraham/Brownstein.
I feel most comfortable with the Icelandic Kelp from clean, cold waters. I also use the dulse from Maine Coast Sea Vegetables. They dry it without heat so that it retains the special yeasts/enzymes for digestion.
Dr. David Derry, M.D. (I have his book on Iodine & Breast Cancer.)says that it is not appreciated how little Iodine there is in fish, that the Japanese get most of theirs from seaweed. The bottom line at the end of his book is that perhaps we shoud supplement with 2 drops of Lugol's because of all the pollution from fossil fuels in the world today.
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This is a reply to # 852,299"The bottom line at the end of his book is that perhaps we should supplement with 2 drops of Lugol's because of all the pollution from fossil fuels in the world today."
That is just a small part of the pollution we face today; add in all the household chemicals including most all personal cosmetics, industrial pollutants, including herbicides and pesticides, fluoride and bromide ubiquitousness in our food and water and that idea of just 2 drops may just increase some.
I do not know... speculating.- Re: Iodine vs Kelp vs Ionic vs natur... 23rd Psalm
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This is a reply to # 852,304True.
Personally, I'm expecting the seaweeds along with Lugol's to be the answer. The unknown factor for me is dosage.
There are special things in seaweed which remove pollution from our bodies along with the Iodine, as I understand it.
Best book on the healing effects of seaweed (My house has so many bookcases, it looks like a library.) is Susun S. Weed's book Healing Wise. I think she's offbeat, feminist, whatever, but more/best information I've ever read on the subject.
Hope they don't ban Seaweed AND Lugol's!- Re: Iodine vs Kelp vs Ionic vs natur... grzbear
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This is a reply to # 852,316"The unknown factor for me is dosage."
We are all in the same boat on that statement. I know that there is not a one size fits all on dosage. It is not true with anything else, why would it be for Lugol's? or seaweed?
We all are in different places and environments... even people in the same families may work in different parts of the same cities and eat different foods, being exposed to varying amounts of the same and in many cases different pollutants. Perhaps they even use different personal hygiene and cosmetic products, maybe different cleaning products in their homes...
Needless to say, our own ability to deal with these pollutants, may be stronger or weaker than even our brothers or sisters, possibly effecting the Iodine pathways and the bodies ability to recognize and utilize Iodine to begin with. One person may perk up with a very small dose, and another may not wake up those pathways for months on the same dosing... how do we know? We can only guess.- Re: Iodine vs Kelp vs Ionic vs natur... 23rd Psalm
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This is a reply to # 852,331Beautifully said.
Important to remember.
When I plant seeds, some just don't thrive. One local radio garden expert says that the only thing he's seen that will bring almost dead plants back to life, is to spray them with seaweed extract! Interesting.
I believe we're on the right track with Iodine/Seaweed. Living on a poisoned plant, that's something really positive.
As you point out, we each have to do our own fine-tuning. That's the hard part.
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This is a reply to # 852,345No debate here, just a note of caution/consideration...
If you do a internet search, you'll find the level of arsenic in seaweed to be phenomenally high, and that MANY natural healers caution greatly about supplementing with seaweed (especially/mostly in high quantities).
Yes, there is 'natural' arsenic in most everything in our oceans, but we're LONG past the point to be able to determine which kind is which. Poison is poison...and there's a lot of poison in seaweed (along with it's other benefits...grrr).
In one of the studies I read (or audios I heard), they mentioned that the cancer rates in Japan are lowest in the world because of the seaweed/iodine. They also mentioned that Japanese stomach cancer rates are HIGH...presumably because of the arsenic in the seaweed.
I'm not recommending/debating for or against seaweed for iodine. I AM saying if I have a choice of getting my Iodine in a "poison/arsenic free" form or ingesting something I am sure contains poison, I'm going with the "poison free version".
Unyquity- Re: high arsenic vs. zero arsenic...... grzbear
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This is a reply to # 852,501it sure is a sad state of affairs when just to fight off disease and abnormally fast aging, supplements become a "safe" alternative to "foods" due to pollution issues.
I worry some about my children and their children's future faced with ever poorer choices than we have.- Re: high arsenic vs. zero arsenic...... sonja500
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This is a reply to # 852,512I just happened across this forum....
I have copied a comment I made in Dennis Hardy ND the other day. I don't usually respond on this site at all, but I thought this fits in nicely here:
"Just be careful with any seaweed. I have a friend who is an analytical chemist, who just happened to analyse some seaweed she was eating (obtained from China). the result was a very high Arsenic content. So i would be careful where I obtained it from. Also, there is the environmental impact isue. In Tasmania for instance, vast tracts of natural kelp beds have been completely decimated because of the kelp trade. Kelp is a food source and habitat for many critters, not just humans.
Unfortuately, this is just part of the down side of the natural health industry...not to mention overpopulation issues.
There are always cause and effect issues for many things".
This brings me to one more question, that I've always been afraid of saying, rather I'm afraid of the responses I will get, but here goes. Natural health care also comes at an environmental cost. It's not a matter of good (natural health) vs bad (pharmaceuticals), as life is not that black and white (unless you live in a hollywood film). All these natural products we consume to extend OUR own lives, i.e benefit of one person in a short span of earth time, comes at the expense of many many species in the short term, thus impacting upon future generations. Take my comment on kelp above. Once the natural kelp beds are gone, how many species go down with it? How long, if ever, will they take to recover? Once certain things, such as many fish species, reach a critical population, they cannot recover and the species becomes extinct.
I think I should post this in the debate forum really. Just one more thing, I am not some evil anti-natural health person, quite the opposite. This is just one thing I think about sometimes.
Take care,
Sonja.
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This is a reply to # 854,298But everything comes with a similar cost including conventional foods. Simply put, there are just too many humans on the planet. The best any of us can do, is to have a few acres, 2.5 or more, and become a self sustaining family... I wish it were that simple.
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This is a reply to # 854,298Always know the source of your sea veggies.
I won't buy ANY food from China, if I can help it. It is one giant toxic waste dump.
I think some Nori is from China. Couldn't get a direct answer from supplier.
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This is a reply to # 852,299i have heard just about enough. a person would have to deliberately try to take too much iodine, and even then only with much effort focused on that goal would he come close to succeeding. your deliberate wording here gives the wrong impression about iodine. "overdosing" on Iodine is about the equivalent of "overdosing" on water or chocolate. yea, you can get too much. yea, it can do a degree of harm at those levels. i would put water more risky than iodine, and certainly more life threatening when abused. we have examples of healthy adults dying from too much water. i have not seen one such case documented for iodine.
take it to the debate forum and see if someone else bites on that crap.- Re: enough with the overdosing 23rd Psalm
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This is a reply to # 852,417Trapper, you do not believe in overdosing.
I do believe you can overdose on anything, including that wonderful element, Iodine.
Can't we each have our own opinions without a debate?
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This is a reply to # 852,430"Can't we each have our own opinions without a debate?"
no
"Do we all have to think alike?"
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this is the support forum for iodine. this is where folks that "think" like that can do so freely without encountering someone with an agenda to try and change their minds about the subject. take it to the debate forum. you havent ADDED anything positive to this discussion that i can see. negative is negative, i dont care how clever or subtle you are about it. you can still be nice to folks in that forum as well if you want. we dont need a devils advocate in this forum.- Re: enough with the overdosing grzbear
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This is a reply to # 852,438I have not read all of 23rd Psalms posts, however, based upon the ones I have read I do not think that 23rd Psalm is being a devils advocate at all... he/she has already stated that they have been exploring and Iodine supplementing for 2 months before running across these forums. That is easily as long as most others on this forum, except maybe for those of us that have been\are avid seaweed eaters. In fact 23rd Psalm is asking many of the same questions we did when the only forum for us was Debate Forums .
23rd Psalm is obviously a thinker... and I would think a valuable asset to any forum, especially this one.
I have to agree with you and 23rd Psalm that one can overdose on ANYTHING and that Iodine OD is a definitive possibility. How much is too much? For someone that shows an "allergic" type of reaction to Iodine maybe less than 1 drop! maybe the mere taste of kelp or even fish. It could just be a toxic shock caused by a severe depletion. Again, we are all different.
Having many noobies over the years questioning, doubting and looking for answers to questions that those of us who have been here hashed out months ago, in a world that has been inundated with idiophobia for over 50 years is to be expected in this forum, over and over again. I think that we should be here to help, and encourage not only the questions, but the answers to them... if we have them. Their health and the health of their loved ones may be at stake.
We should be here to share knowledge... if the knowledge becomes an issue for debate, the discussion should, at that time, be moved to the iodine debate forum. Lets learn from each other as we walk this road together.- Re: enough with the overdosing trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 852,451Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
you are, of course, right on all counts. but you disregarded a key component - its not the poster i object to, its the post and the apparent intent of the post.
i will give 23rd psalm the benefit of the doubt as soon as i quit seeing them try to steer the conversation and tweek the perceptions in a negative way. they may not even realize they are doing it. lucky for them they got me to point that out to them.
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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This is a reply to # 852,417I agree with you that it would seem rather difficult to OD on iodine. From my personal experience, I seem to get some physical warnings when enough is enough. Whether they are "detox" reactions OR, my body screaming that it has enough, I do not know. I suspect that is up for debate and will leave it alone as either view has a case.
What I am relatively sure of is that the iodine, whether taken in foods (I can comfortably get between 8 and 15mg in me a day through foods assuming quality foods) or through lugol's\iodoral is absolutely essential. Given the polluted planet we live on and that I am easily third generation attacked by this chemical warfare, (our kids and their kids 4th & 5th; what chance do they have?) the Iodine is an absolutely essential part of my defensive arsenal against the war being waged upon me.
Sadly, I know that food alone (unless extremely high end tested quality; even that is less than it would have been 100 years ago) is no longer adequate.
That is what makes me most angry... we are not getting what we are paying for at the market and must pay again to supplement. Whether we want to admit it or not "they" have ALL of us both coming and going from the second we are conceived.
Pay through the nose up front for health and sacrifice some of what we describe as a good life now... or pay for it in the end, sliding into hospice care. Makes me madashell.
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