Hi SB,

You have a nice way with words !

Thank-you for your efforts !

But, what is amazing are those people who would rather Complain about their problems and rather do this and have someone to cry on each others shoulders than learn to take responsibility for their own actions !

And this very action by so many people may be "WHY" most of curezone is one Big Social Club, where the "TRUTH" may be hard to find, for most people do not want to hear the "Truth" because then they must learn to take Responsibility for their own actions, and most people do not want to do this !

And when anyone has the Back Bone to tell them the "Truth" they may get so upset and start name calling and who knows what else !

"ANYONE" with just a little bit of "COMMON SENSE" may do the numbers and find that when I started posting on curezone before I was given this forum and was posting on the alkaline acid pH forum mostly, that it gained so much attention and had so much traffic that people got upset because they were no longer the ones getting the attention from their crying on each others shoulders, that it was decided to give me my own forum !

Now that I have my own forum, "ANYONE" may go Back to those old forums about alkaline acid pH and see that the traffic to them has Died and went to the grave !

So, the stats tell the "Truth" about the whole matter , for the numbers do "NOT" "LIE" !

People who are searching for the "Truth" may be drawn to it and they may find their answers, but the Hounds from "HELL" will come a Barking every time !

Like one of the Wise men who shared much info with me many years ago, told me--invent a Better mouse trap and they will try to throw you in Jail !

As you can see times have changed, but many people Reamin the same in their Sickness and Disease and Poor choices in Life !

"IF" those who are Complainers where so "CORRECT" in their Complaints, then "WHY" should it matter to them, "IF" they were really "CORRECT" in the beginning, other than they are Full of "FALSE" ideas and info and this may be the Real problem Facing them !

For "IF" a person is "LYING" to themself and has "NOT" learned to have "COMPASSION" on their own body, what can one expect out of them, but this kind of behavior of Complainiong that they have been told the "Truth" about themself and they do not want to hear that it is their Responsibility to learn to have "COMPASSION" on their own body, so that they may begin to Heal !

Children "MUST" learn to Grow up, if they Hope to be known as Adults and treated as Adults !

What about you ?

Smile Tis your choice.

Very well put southern belle.

Another important thing I think is that we come from all kinds of backgrounds and educations which may make understanding things easier or more difficult for any given individual dependent upon the subject at hand.

That said,

I would extend your post to individual posters as well. Myself as well as many of the veterans have experienced this as well not understanding the mind of the NEWBIE or someone who may be light years ahead.

It is wise to remember that I too was once a NEWBIE, and still consider myself to be, albeit a devoted practicing student.

As a NEWBIE, I researched my butt off as I tweaked my diet. Noticing that was not quite getting me where I wanted to go and through continued research I found curezone and became an avid forum reader... then a very cautious and timid bowel cleanser, then a very skeptical, cautious and timid parasite cleanser, then a curezone poster, then a liver flusher; ad nauseum as I am still making tweaks to diet and methods.

Notice that the posting came well after I began reading the forums... I was fortunate as a reader I already understood debate, disagreements, and trolls enough to put things in perspective and it never bothered me enough to leave. I am so awfully grateful I stayed as I am a living testimony to curezone and its wealth of healing information.

It sure would be extremely difficult for the ME of two years ago to agree with, or even understand the ME of today. I will try to remember that...

But at the same time, it is frustrating for any of us, who have been there, done that, to watch another spin their wheels while desperately seeking relief and I think that is what may set things off from time to time even exercising a conscious effort of compassion.

In the end, I guess we can not do much more than point the way.

Thought provoking post SB, thanks.

grz

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And while we are on the subject some posters have, in the past, taken money for services rendered by posters. I do not know if this is true now. They do take it off line, and do then ask to be paid to conduct distance healing etc. Some (CZ Experts)have taken it further and conducted personal relationships with posters.

As for Dr Hardy, I do not know his status or if he has a website...some use their forum to drive traffic to their website and then charge for product or service there.

There is NOTHING WRONG with commerce unless it is misrepresented. And I say again I do not Know Dr Hardy or his practice etc.

Maybe this would be an opportunity for Dr Hardy to introduce himself and tell us alittle information-
His practice, his college of naturopathy etc.

Dr Hardy will you take this opportunity to expound on your belief system and your current practice?

My father-in-law was the gruffest ba***rd that ever lived! Mean, I tell you, just a hateful manner. BUT let me tell you a little story. When my wife and I were first married, I was trying to cut my own fence posts to build a pasture because we could not afford the metal posts. I was worn out after a few days and it didn't help matters much in the fact that he would drive by DAILY and tell me what I was doing wrong. Things like "Dumb ass, you have to soak the posts before you put them in the ground." "You idiot, you have to put the posts in sap side down." And so forth and so on. I bit my tongue (I wanted to keep my new bride!) After a couple of weeks I began hand digging the post holes - he drove up - got out of his truck with another post hole digger and a pair of gloves and went to work WITH me. That homemade fence is still standing to this very day - strong and true. Moral of this story? Underneath the MANNER of his PRESENTATION was true help - had I taken offense at his method, I would not have a fence today. Oh, I would have built that fence without his smart assed comments, but it would have crumbled years ago.

One more thing: Take a good long look at all of us "experts". We are human - just like everyone else. We simply have a passion for what we do. We believe what we believe because we have experienced it in our own lives. We believe so strongly that we want to share our knowledge with the rest of the world.

None of us "know it all". I learn new things everyday and I am sure the other experts do too. Individuality is a wonderful thing - education and choices are wonderful things too.

Can you imagine me, moreless and barefoot all going to the "MegaMart" together? Imagine that the check out lady is very rude and ugly to us (I am sure you all have experience with the "rude" check out lady in any given store!).
I would be thinking "she is probably full of worms causing her central nervous system to be out of whack" while moreless is thinking "her ph level is through the roof" while barefoot would storm over to the produce section and bring back a big ole sack of oranges - (and a juicer from the small appliance section) and tell that heifer to "get to juice fasting NOW!" Just kidding boys! But see how individuals have their different point of views?

Seriously - I have said this before and I'll say it again - the journey to natural healing is, in my opinion, like religion. Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Buddists, etc. - ALL want the same thing - spiritual peace and happiness - each are just taking different roads to get to the same place. Who is "right" and who is "wrong"? Who knows. The abilities to self-educate and to make choices are powerful abilities indeed! Gather all the information you can and take only the parts that YOU as an individual need.

RG