Hi Blueduck,

I have tried the pads and they do seem to have some sort of effect on me. I posted under testimonials about a month ago. I dreamed so vividly that I thought I was awake. When I woke up the next a.m., after needing less sleep than usual, I had tons of energy all day. I have used them several times and still get pretty much the same effect. My husband does as well.

I still have some left, but do not want to use them to the place that I have some sort of toxic die off, because I still have to work.

I was curious as to how wood vinegar mixed with other products could have such an effect on me. I have been studying them, and one site said that there were over 200 different kind of pads. Kinotakara is just one of them. The Asian peoples have supposedly been using them for centuries. Andreas Moritz' site was the first place I saw them mentioned. He has advocated them previously, don't know if he still does though. Thanks.

bevpirt