I also found this to be fallacious arguing and rude. I think it impolite and fallacious thinking to tell Bob that the people who have posted similarly to him have been proven wrong without any examples or reasons to back that up. One can therefore only conclude that he's wrong because you say so. It's not that I agree with Bob, it's just that we need to behave in a more rational manner.

Jaklin - the tooth may be the source of the gut troubles eh?

And then the anti-biotics would make things complicated of course.
]
I am seriously trying to take care of my tooth problem, they are painfull and drilled too much, getting extractions now. I sure hope it helps once all the root canaled and mercury ones are gone. Focal point infection may be what some would call it.

What do you think about the teeth?

If you disagree with him, state the reasons why, but don't attack him and say he's being dishonest. You don't know this. He could have a dishonest doctor, or a doctor who is lying to himself and saying the stones are inconsistent with kidney stones. You don't know that he wanted to save us. He was just passing on his experiences, for all you know. We should all act like adults, here.

Excellant point Anne.

Bob, I had the same idea. I have not done the flush yet. I think its just silly fear, and there is no danger fergawdssakes.

Because any doctor worth anything at all would say something about it right? NO no no no!!! They only "do" what can be billed according to the 4500 items approved for billing. These things ALL make profits for someone, and cleanses will never make that list.

A little doctor rant does me good, like a laxitive sort of. Sorry, didn't mean to get negative and spill bad vibes all over everyone.

Thanks for your inpute...I typically hang out at the Liver Flush Forum but came here by mistake and read what Bob wrote.

Shawn

Thanks everyone, I was having some doubts via Bob.
What Science Bob? We do want to review it, we keep an open mind. If Science says its dangerous, this site has a great need to know of the information supporting that warning.

Is is safe to assume that some of the posts on this site are made by "industry plants" who are intent on casting doubt and fear into self-healers?
Not that Bob is, but we see how easily we can get off-track by this example. I have become very carefull lately.

Hi Nan if you have any more information on the flushes could you let me know, my friend wants to guide me through one next week. Need to know more information from others who have tried. Thanks Bev.

http://www.hitmytarget.com

I wish people posting would not attack people for their opinions, or rationalize as to why they think a certain way. Instead give your reasons why you believe something without ascribing motives to people, or otherwise characterizing the person with another opinion in a negative way. That's not what valid arguments are made of. It's a fallacy to say something isn't true or is because a person is ignorant, perhaps an industry plant, just wants to scare people, etc. None of these are valid arguments. Some people evidently have had different experiences. Attack the issue and not the person. Refraining from even refering to the person at all is the best way to go about it. I found your saying, "Read and read and learn and learn" offensive, as I did "Silly, silly boy." It's a product of modern American culture from Hannity to Howard Stern and its sad. We attack those who disagree with us. It's something that is very peculiar to American culture something that is relatively recent.

Hi,

I'd like to add my experience with the gall bladder flush. I began having trouble with my gall bladder and within a few months the attacks were coming daily. (Masses of stones evident on ultrasound). I lost 30 lbs over that time - by the end of it even water was setting off an attack (not just fatty foods) so I pretty much stopped eating all together. I ended up in the emergency room on several occassions and only morphine shots would give relief. Not a fun time...

I had read about the gallstone flush and was very keen to try it rather than go under the knife. (My diet up till then had not been conducive to good health - I had read about cleansing etc but not acted upon it). Unfortunately I made one very big mistake - I waited until I was really sick before I tried it.

I had terrible trouble getting the oil/juice down to start with, and was wretchedly sick to the stomach - I threw up at least half of everything I got down.

Ingesting the fluids brought on another attack and my doctor had to come and see me with a shot - I was too sick to even get in the car to go to casualty room. Once the pain from the attack subsided I had to try and get the Epsom Salts down and once again I vomited most of what I took in.

The next day I did produce a few of the green stones - but it was obvious that I hadn't got them all. This left me in a very awkward position - and in the end I opted to have surgery. I couldn't bear the thought of going through the flush again - I was just too sick to care by then.

Interestingly I continued to have attacks for a month AFTER the surgery, as there was a stone making its way through the bile duct. Eventually this sofrted itself out. I regret the need for surgery, if I had my time again I would perform the flush periodically as a maintenance thing - well BEFORE I ever actually got sick in the first place. (In principle I am still a firm believer in the value of cleansing/flushing - I was just too far gone by the time I did anything about my own health!)

Cheers,
Dax