Tax cuts wolf in sheep's clothing? 
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i'm no financial genius, but something about this recent "tax refund advance", or whatever they want to call it, is striking a cord. i mean, if people with families are receiving a sort of advance on next year's tax refunds, then won't it really piss people off if they end up having been "over-refunded" and end up having to return the money (which they've probably already spent at that point), or even pay out a higher tax based on this year's advances. my guess is, the people to whom this will happen will think bush is an idiot (which he is) and election will be just a few months away. as much as i hated this idea in the beginning, i'm starting to think it'll work to our advantage in the end. am i way off base here? calling all CPA's.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 582,723i agree - but in which direction? i mean, this will shed a NEGATIVE light on bush. can you see that good, hardworking, southern baptist family of 7, who loooooved RECEVING that check in august of 2003, but who'll be hurting, cussing bush out all the way to the maibox, come april 15th of 2004, and they have to return the money. see what i'm saying?
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This is a reply to # 582,725Swedefox,
You obviously are paying attention, politicians aren't after your vote.
I was listening to a frustrated Democrat talk about this issue. They would tell the people that the rich will get billions, your local taxes will be raised immensly, the deficit will go out of control, services for the poor will all be cut and you'll get $100.00.
The response of the average tax payer? "where's my $100.00?"- Re: Vote ploy (nt) SwedeFox
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yeah, but when they have to RETURN $200, what will that do to the person when they go to the polls? assuming they bother to make the trip, that is. in my experience, people are more likely to speak up when treated badly to "bitch about it", rather than bothering to say what a great time they had. for example, you go to a restaurant, the service is great, food's yummy, you give your average 20% tip, plus a buck or two 'cause it was such a nice evening. however, if your waiter never refills your waterglass, takes 45 minutes to bring your food, which is cold by now, and you find some brillo in your spinach (this actually happened to me...), you'll be asking for the manager, raising a stink, maybe even send an angry letter to the restaurant owner. get my drift? anger can be a potent motivator. piss off enough hard-working parents of 5, be they southern baptists or texans or 2nd cousins of the bushes, the polls may very well reflect this... one can only hope..- you're thinking logical again netav
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This is a reply to # 582,730Swedefox,
I agree with your example of the restaurant and the service issue. But the difference is with the restaurant, you don't feel hopeless, you can make a change and fix the situation and you know it.
When it comes to politics, the voters feel it's hopeless and they just throw in the towel no matter what the "screwing" they are taking. Those crooks have ripped the hearts out and demoralized the people who pay attention. When I ran for Congress, I heard statements from people who said that Politics is so corrupt, it's not worth stressing over. I also heard from people who had master degress in political Science tell me they've studied it and it's all about money. I used to think that the 50% that don't vote were lazy. I now know that's not always the case anymore. Some of them pay alot of attention, but they are sickened by it and have given up all hope. I would ask them how they could put that label on me since I refused any campaign funds. They all told me that if they thought I would win, they would vote but they know if you are not rich or corrupt, that you don't stand a chance.
Rich and corrupt is why George is in the white house punishing the world
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It may not hit tax payers like that. It may be bled from elsewhere so the dots aren't as easy to connect. These guys are just good enough to play hide and seek from the average joe...and lately joe is pretty average.
If anymore dumming down is necessary..bring in the script writers and use the corporate media pipleine to Joe's brain.
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This is a reply to # 582,721"One good thing about the tax cuts in the new law is that most people won't have to wait long to start seeing
the savings. Employers have generally lowered the amount of federal tax withheld from their workers’
paychecks, reflecting lower tax rates for most people and a larger standard deduction for married couples.
The Treasury is mailing checks to most people who claimed the Child Tax Credit last year, as an advance
payment of the credit’s increase. If you claimed this credit on your 2002 tax return, you may be eligible for
up to $400 for each qualifying child. That is the difference between the old maximum credit of $600 and
the new amount of $1,000."
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It would appear that, if no other change occurs to your tax basis, you will get a prepayment of the increase in
your child deductible. You would get an advanceed tax refund plus, in some cases, no more marriage penalty deduction.
I, lurking at the bottom of the economic totem pole havn't seen a penny in tax cuts. Guess I'm not patriotic enough
to be rained on by the GOP cornucopia.
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This is a reply to # 582,731then you're in good company, 'cause that's where my husband & i also lurk. we're DINCs - double income no kids. in other words, we decided 10 years ago when we got together that, until we were financially stable, we would not have a child. read, "A" child. unless you're a farmer, is there really a need for more than one? if an extra $400 makes one that excited, perhaps one ought to take a second look at the quality of life one is leading...
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The $400 is window-dressing. Shrub transfereed $ trillions from our
general economy to his contributors. The pittance he threw to the
masses was "don't worry, be happy" gas. He runs around shoving the
proverbial sunshine pump up our butts and we get all giddy - my what
a leader... Napoleon, Caesar, Churchill were mere fools in comparison.
Ever watched cattle chewing their cud, Swede.- Re: Tax cuts wolf in sheep's clothin... SwedeFox
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This is a reply to # 582,736napoleon died of syphilis imprisoned on corsics; caesar, well, he was murdered; i'm not sure how chirchill died, but it's couldn't have been all that pretty, considering he was obese & smoked cigars... we ought to be so lucky as to be rid of shrub in any one of these ways. but, as i said, people selling their souls for $400??? as my dad always says "only in america..."
- Not As Proud An American As I Was In... wheelslip
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This is a reply to # 582,738Guess it's in the drinking water. I just wouldn't want to travel overseas right now. I've lived and traveled abroad extensively and was always proud to be a Yank and tried ever so hard to help foreigners like me and appreciate my country. Today, I wouldn't even try. You can't defend the indefensible.
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This is a reply to # 582,739wheelslip - listen, i just recently visited france, where they supposedly HATE americans. truth is, they were more hospitable than i even remember them to be, having also traveled extensively as a child and teenager. there are a few places, such as greece and turkey, and obviously the middle-east, where i wouldn't go right now. don't let the government scare you into believing the "freedom fries" hype and all that bullshit. i think they have it all backwards - it's the americans that are intolerant of the very countries who refused to buckle to the usual american propaganda, and when the shrub and his cohorts saw that they wouldn't be intimidated, what did they say? that they would be "punished". that's EXACTLY what powell said. it's just childish games, as usual. if you wanna' travel, travel.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 582,741I experienced this, so called, Bush diplomacy in the school yard when I was seven years old.I stopped encountering this banal\plebian chest thumping when I entered high school. Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan and on and on are all lard-assed big-mouthed punks. You could count their time in service plus their IQs on one hand. You see, I don't base my attitude toward our allies or Europeans on what those Nazis spout. Talk about terrorists - Osama united us. Those acerbic egomaniacs divide us. I am ashamed of the immature manner in which we deal with friend and foe, alike.
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God bless us Americans - But, class is not even a word in our resume.
Shrub has brought us right down to the level a armadillo dung. Under that dung... You may find a Cheney peering up at you.
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