Can MC Be Done Part Time? 
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I have done the Master-Cleanse before and lasted the 10 days last year. I used this forum alot and in my readings noticed that a few people drink the lemonade during the day and then eat dinner at night. Not a huge dinner. I have about 40 pounds to lose and am on Weight Watchers and am extremly busy. What are your feelings about having the drink during the day. Any thoughts would be helpful. I know there are going to be people out there who will think this is blasphemous (sorry I am a bad speller) .....and I am sorry for that!Advertisement
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- Re: Can MC Be Done Part Time? Somer
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This is a reply to # 221,899Not so much a matter of blasphemy, but of defeating your own purpose. The Master-Cleanse is truly NOT a weight loss diet (though you will certainly lose weight fasting). It is a cleanse, and should be done with the intent to cleanse your body of old trash. Use it as a springboard for weight loss, with a cleansing/rebuilding diet AFTER the cleanse! This is how you will lose weight the right way, and KEEP it off. There is nothing more disappointing than putting time and effort into a fast and regaining all the weight you lost plus!
As far as drinking lemonade during the day, then having dinner... NOT a cleanse, and NOT a very nutritious weight loss plan. If you are going to cleanse, CLEANSE! There is no finer than the MC. If you are going for weight loss, choose a SENSIBLE weight loss diet (NOT a fad like Atkins) and make a commitment to it!
A wonderful pre-cleanse diet in preparation for a fast, which will also take the weight off:
For breakfast, have a big bowl of fruit, with natural yogurt (good culture, no sugar). Whiz it as a smoothie if you like!
For lunch, a big salad, your choice of dressing, NO bread, crackers etc. Just the salad.
For dinner, homemade vegetarian vegetable soup, as much as you like. Same soup you break the Master-Cleanse with. Yumm!
And as much fresh fruit/veg juices as you like, and PLENTY of water!
I did this for 30 days before my 59 day fast this summer, with wonderful results.
Add a little skinless chicken breast/fresh fish, and a small amount of whole grains and beans if you are eating this diet long term, and you will cleanse, heal AND lose weight!
Of course exercise plays a big part. Again, you have to make a commitment to yourself! Walk 40 minutes 3x a week, minimum, for best results, or whatever activity you will enjoy and stick with!
Sorry I don't have better news, but it's a LONG TERM commitment to better eating and good health you should be after, rather than quick weight loss. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but hope it helps anyhow!
I am over two years into removing all the old trash I packed into my colon over the years. I will turn 49 on Saturday, and want to go into my 50s clean, slim and HAPPY! I am well on my way, but... it ain't easy! (Feels so GOOD, though!)
Best to you,
Somer
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- Hi & Question For Somer lotus33
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This is a reply to # 221,915Hi Somer,
First of all I'd like to say that when I read through the messages here (and I went back 2 yrs) I found many of yours to be some of the most inspiring & informative. I know that you hear this all the time but I thought I should preface my post with my appreciation so that there is no misunderstanding in my posing this question to you as I do value your opinion.
I like your recommendations for being committed to a healthy lifestyle very much. But part of your reply intrigued me for another reason. I'm curious as to why you commented, "The Master-Cleanse is truly NOT a weight loss diet..." When Burroughs states exactly the opposite on pages 13 & 14 of his book. He writes:
"As a reducing diet it is superior in every way to any other system because it dissolves and eliminates all types of fatty tissue. Fat melts away at the rate of about two pounds a day for most persons—and without any harmful side effects.
Yes, the Lemonade Diet is a reducing diet, but much more. Just as many other disorders also cleared up at the same time when it was used to heal ulcers, when it is used as a reducing diet other ailments are also corrected in the process."
Of course I realize that it is not a magic bullet but then no weight loss regimine is. I would think that most adults would understand this. And that they would know that they'd have to continue with & be dedicated to a very healthy lifestyle after mc'ing to feel/see the longetivity of it's benefits. Whether that means juicing frequently, doing The Fat Flush Plan, Weight Watchers, excercisng more or following the Master-Cleanse each & every month, I'm sure that many of these options & others are embraced & incorporated into many people's lives after following the MC.
I am doing the Master-Cleanse for a variety of reasons with weight loss being one of them. My next comment is in no way referring to you. I did not know when I became a member here that I would be judged harshly for admitting to this. As I had read through many other messages where members had committed to the MC for solely this reason alone. And then others, when admitting that they are following the protocol for weight loss always preface their confession with, "I know I'm sorry I shouldn't use the MC for weight loss but...." Or something along those lines to avoid being admonished for their choice. I find this rather sad. No one should have to apologize for choosing the mc as a way to weight reduction. Especially when it is specifically & without any ambiguity stated to be just that in the Burroughs' book; a healthy & effective way to achieving & maintaining a healthy weight.
I find it quite odd that something which is very precisely addressed in The Master Cleanse book is so negatively perceived on this board. Unhealthy weight is unhealthy. Many people are not losing weight as easily as they should do to the build up of toxins in their body & how these toxins have adversely affected their kidney, liver, gallbladder & thyroid. Although western med test results may indicate that one's liver, for instance, is functioning within the "normal" range in actuality it is not. It will take many many years before results would register liver damage. The time to act is now & get all that gunk out of their system before worse damage to body & spirit.
This will be the first time that I have completed a full 10 days on the MC. I have done many other cleanses before mainly Hulda Clark s' & Arish & Shine. So although I am not speaking from much experience on mc'ing as this is only my 3rd attempt in 8 months & my first which will be 10 days (planning on 21-30 fingers & toes crossed ;~)I do understand about fasting, body cleansing, liver/gall bladder flushing etc...etc....However, I really do appreciate & value the insights of someone who has a lot of mc experience. I just don't understand what all the fuss is about when it comes to mc'ing & weight loss? It's bad enough that many of us do not have family & friends to support us when dedicated to mc'ing or any other fast, or special program for health & then to come to this site & find that you won't be supported for this choice is imho rather disheartening.
Thanks again for your time, experience & enthusiasm for living a lifestyle.
Take Care
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Hi Somer,
First of all I'd like to say that when I read through the messages here (and I went back 4 years) I found many of yours to be some of the most inspiring & informative. I know that you hear this all the time but I thought I should preface my post with my appreciation so that there is no misunderstanding in my posing this question to you as I do value your opinion.
I'm not sure if the other member was wanting to use a modified mc for weight loss purposes but your reply intrigued me. I'm curious as to why you commented that, "The MC is truly NOT a weight loss diet..." When Burroughs states exactly the opposite on pages 13 & 14 of his book. He writes:
"As a reducing diet it is superior in every way to any other system because it dissolves and eliminates all types of fatty tissue. Fat melts away at the rate of about two pounds a day for most persons—and without any harmful side effects.
Yes, the Lemonade Diet is a reducing diet, but much more. Just as many other disorders also cleared up at the same time when it was used to heal ulcers, when it is used as a reducing diet other ailments are also corrected in the process."
Of course I realize that it is not a magic bullet but then no weight loss regimine is. I would think that most adults would understand this. And that they would know that they'd have to coninue with & be dedicated to a very healthy lifestyle after mc'ing to feel/see the longetivity of it's benefits. Whether that means juicing frequently or following the MC each & every month, I'm sure that both are incorporated into many people's lives after following the MC.
I am doing the MC for a variety of reasons with weight loss being one of them. My next comment is in no way referring to you. I did not know when I became a member here that I would be judged harshly for admitting to this. As I had read through many other messages where members had committed to the MC for solely this reason alone. And then others, when admitting that they are following the protocol for weight loss always preface their confession with, "I know I'm sorry I shouldn't use the MC for weight loss but...." Or something along those lines to avoid being admonished for their choice. I find this rather sad. No one should have to apologize for choosing the mc as a way to weight reduction. Especially when it is specifically & without any ambiguity stated to be just that in the Burroughs' book; a healthy & effective way to achieving & maintaining a healthy weight.
I find it quite odd that something which is very precisely addressed in The Master Cleanse book is so negatively perceived on this board. Unhealthy weight is unhealthy. Many people are not losing weight as easily as they should do to the build up of toxins in their body & how these toxins have adversely affected their kidney, liver, gallbladder & thyroid. Although western med test results may indicate that one's liver, for instance, is functioning within the "normal" range in actuality it is not. It will take many many years before results would register liver damage. The time to act is now & get all that gunk out of their system before worse damage to body & spirit.
This will be the first time that I have completed a full 10 days on the MC. I have done many other cleanses before mainly Hulda Clark s' & Arish & Shine. So although I am not speaking from much experience on mc'ing as this is only my 3rd attempt in 8 months & my first which will be 10 days (planning on 21-30 fingers & toes crossed ;~)I do understand about fasting, body cleansing, liver/gall bladder flushing etc...etc....However, I really do appreciate & value the insights of someone who has a lot of mc experience. I just don't understand what all the fuss is about when it comes to mc'ing & weight loss? It's bad enough that many of us do not have family & friends to support us when dedicated to mc'ing or any other fast, or special program for health & then to come to this site & find that you won't be supported for this choice is imho rather disheartening.
Thanks again for your time, experience & enthusiasm for living a lifestyle.
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- Hi & Question For Lotus33 RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 221,927>>>Of course I realize that it is not a magic bullet but then no weight loss regimine is. I would think that most adults would understand this. And that they would know that they'd have to continue with & be dedicated to a very healthy lifestyle after mc'ing to feel/see the longetivity of it's benefits. Whether that means juicing frequently or following the Master-Cleanse each & every month, I'm sure that both are incorporated into many people's lives after following the MC.<<<
The above is simply not true - if it were true, then there would be no overweight people. And I know very few people who have "juiced frequently or followed the Master-Cleanse each & every month" after the first MC, but I have heard of many people who have done the Master-Cleanse and then regained all the weight they lost. The fact is that the people coming here and using the MC for weight loss only usually DO think is is a "magic bullet" and therein lies the problem. You simply haven't been here long enough to have seen what the reality is.
I always wonder why people feel the need to explain the reason they are doing the MC. Why do you think people feel the need to disclose that, Lotus 33? I have found that nine times out of ten, when someone says, "I am doing the MC for weight loss," they are going to go on to suggest some variation like cocoa powder or flax seed oil or apple cider vinegar, and then ask if it is okay since they are not doing the MC for cleansing. See how this can get annoying on a forum that is dedicated to the MASTER CLEANSE????
- One more thing RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 221,932Another thing I like to ask people who always feel the need to defend those who are doing the Master-Cleanse for weight loss only -
You can lose weight if you have AIDS, in fact, large amounts - would you call AIDS a "weight loss diet"? :)- Re: One more thing lotus33
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I find that very offensive for you to make this remark to anyone. How dare you. Many of us have lost loved ones to HIV/AIDS related illnesses. From your insensitive remark I can assume that you never have or you'd never have used such a poor tasteless analogy. Or maybe you still would?
Your disgusting AIDS analogy does not prove your point one bit. In fact, it rather indicates how low you will stoop in attempting to control people's views & opinions on what exactly The Master Cleanse is. Just like leaders of a cult who take a very good idea & then twist it to their own personal agenda & force everyone to follow their own indiviudal beliefs.
Many illnesses will clean out your colon too. Should I tell you how to go about catching a particular virus which will clean your system out in no time?
You seem to love avoiding the fact that Burrough's states that it may be used safely & effectively for weight loss. Furthermore you do not have to respond to each & every message. If your message is not going to be supportive then simply save your time & your breath. It may be prudent for you to remember, to each their own. For instance, my question was to Somer yet you replied. Thank you but it really wasn't neccessary. Especially after your disturbing AIDS analogy addendum.
No need to reply to this message either, as I will not be reading any other vile misguided thoughts, beliefs or opinions that you have to post ever again. The Master Cleanse can do many things but one thing it cannot obviously do is teach tolerance & compassion.
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I find that very offensive for you to say this to me. How dare you.
- Soapbox alert - get out the tissues ... RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 221,935Please don't play the victim card with me - I know several people with AIDS and one who almost died from it (the protease drugs are truly a miracle, even though I hate drug companies!)
But your post reveals how very much you enjoy being on the soapbox. :)
- Soapbox alert - get out the tissues ... RowanMorrison
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- Re: One more thing lotus33
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- Re: Hi & Question For Rowan Morrison lotus33
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This is a reply to # 221,932Hi Rowan Morrison,
Your point is well taken but there are members who have lost weight & kept it off. I myself lost 12 pounds from 2 incomplete master cleanses & have only gained 2 pounds back in 8 months. Your comment that there would be no over weight people puzzles me as not everyone has master cleansed. I'm sure that if more people were aware of it's tremendous benefits then more people would successfully lose the excess weight & keep it off. Was I wrong in my statement that maintaining a healthy weight has much to do with optimal functioning of the liver, gall bladder, kidneys & thyroid? And that over time these internal organs can become clogged with toxins creating an imbalance in the body? Was Burrough's wrong when he said that The Master Cleanse is for weight reduction? If he was wrong does this mean he was a quack? Or was he simply lying to sell more books?
Did you read me suggesting that I sip hot cocoa, or take flax seed oil? I have not read that from any of the posts where members have spoken about mc & weight loss. I'm sorry that this has happened here as those suggestions do not seem logical, nor healthy. And I do not believe that most members would even consider such add ons when master cleansing.
However, many people here add, subtract & modify as they see fit. So are they still doing the Master Cleanse? One person prefers adding "oxy-whatever", or a P&B shake; are they still Master Cleansing? If someone adds a liver cleanse are they still Master Cleansing? What about if a member chooses to add colonics? Burroughs was against them. Does this mean that they are wrong in their preference for colonics over the swf, or laxative tea as per Burroughs? How about if someone does a parasite cleanse when master cleansing is that okay?
I'm convinced that the Master-Cleanse could be used successfully for drug addicts & it would be highly cost effective. This isn't in the book itself, nor have I read this idea on these boards, but I feel that it's a good one.
My husband's friends & children stayed with us over the weekend. I had no choice but to tell them that I was mc'ing because they'd be eating with us. Here they have both used the master cleanse. She was having difficulty conceiving & lost over 20 pounds using the mc & conceived their 1st child after 6 months of cleansing. Her husband was so impressed with her weight loss results & other health benefits that after reading that it will alleviate joint pain he did the cleanse as well. He still cleanses & this is 2 years since his first one. He no longer has corporal tunnel & says that his night vision is better.
This morning I had to get more limes & molasses. A woman asked me if I was master cleansing & I told her yes. She went on to tell me that master cleansing had cured her endometriosis, balanced her hormone levels, saved her gall bladder (which her doctor wanted to remove), she lost weight & it's increased her energy etc...etc...
You are right that I have not been here long. But this does not mean that I do not have anything intelligent, nor pertinent to contribute. Nor does it mean that I, or any other newbie deserve to be mistreated, or disrespected.
Take Care
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Hi Rowan Morrison,
Your point is well taken but there are members who have lost weight & kept it off. I myself lost 12 pounds from 2 incomplete master cleanses & have only gained 2 pounds back in 8 months. Your comment that there would be no over weight people puzzles me as not everyone has master cleansed. I'm sure that if more people were aware of it's tremendous benefits then more people would successfully lose the excess weight & keep it off. Was I wrong in my statement that maintaining a healthy weight has much to do with optimal functioning of the liver, gall bladder, kidneys & thyroid? And that over time these internal organs can become clogged with toxins creating an imbalance in the body? Was Burrough's wrong when he said that The Master Cleanse is for weight reduction? If he was wrong does this mean he was a quack? Or was he simply lying to sell more books?
Did you read me suggesting that I sip hot cocoa, or take flax seed oil? I have not read that from any of the posts where members have spoken about mc & weight loss. I'm sorry that this has happened here as those suggestions do not seem logical, nor healthy. And I do not beleive that most members would even consider such add ons when master cleansing.
However, many people here add, subtract & modify as they see fit. So are they still doing the Master Cleanse? One person prefers adding "oxy-whatever", or a P&B shake; are they still Master Cleansing? If someone adds a liver cleanse are they still Master Cleansing? What about if a member chooses to add colonics? Burroughs was against them. Does this mean that they are wrong in their preference for colonics over the swf, or laxative tea as per Burroughs? How about if someone does a parasite cleanse when master cleansing is that okay?
I'm convinced that the Master-Cleanse could be used successfully for drug addicts & it would be highly cost effective. This isn't in the book itself, nor have I read this idea on these boards, but I feel that it's a good one.
My husband's friends & children stayed with us over the weekend. I had no choice but to tell them that I was mc'ing because they'd be eating with us. Here they have both used the master cleanse. She was having difficulty conceiving & lost over 20 pounds using the mc & conceived their 1st child after 6 months of cleansing. Her husband was so impressed with her weight loss results & other health benefits that after reading that it will alleviate joint pain he did the cleanse as well. He still cleanses & this is 2 years since his first one. He no longer has corporal tunnel & says that his night vision is better.
This morning I had to get more limes & molasses. A woman asked me if I was master cleansing & I told her yes. She went told me that master cleansing had cured her endometriosis, balanced her hormone levels, saved her gall bladder (which her doctor wanted to remove), she lost weight & it's increased her energy etc...etc...
You are right that I have not been here long. But this does not mean that I do not have anything intelligent, nor pertinent to contribute. Nor does it mean that I, or any other newbie deserve to be mistreated, or disrespected.
Take Care
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- i agree with this inpart , Rowan/ ot... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 221,932yes about all the additions to The Master Cleanse
that are not following the basic Burroughs guidelines.
it was for this exact reason last year that the fasting/ general forum
and Water Fasting forums were created.
the general fasting was supposed to be a support forum for those
that were choosing to add extras ot in spurts etc...
with eatings inbetween etc.
drinking extras such as brothes/ cocoas etc.
juiced veggies etc etc.
rather than admonish folks that do these things,
i might suggest that by simply referring them to the forum description and posting a link to the in-general fasting forum description it might be taken in a better light?
some folks are not aware of the other forums existance/ or even that doing these alt things are NOT supportive of the true nature of the cleanse:
which is for detox and wt loss purposes.
yes folks do it for wt loss, and it is listed as such in the book.
yes a great many that do it ONLY for this reason tend to gain it back AS THEY WOULD under any endeavor they do ...
IF they do not make changes in their diets after going off the cleanse.
it is NOT a *quick fix* for wt loss.
hopefully , those that do it for this purpose , we can steer onto encouraging them to read on proper foods to help bring them into a greater knowledge of how to maintain wt loss/ thru detoxing/ and proper eating.
if we jump on them, we might discourage them .. from perhaps further resourcing the many opportunities of knowledge in a wealth of forums here for their free use.
these folks need help/ if they go back to past eating habits they will only feel they have faiied , plus gone thru a negative exp in the process..
consider yourself to be a guiding hand 8)
i know you , Rowan , in that i have seen you post so many wonderful helps on other topic forums.
i know you have a wealth of knowledge you can pass along to these types of folks.
love & peace
Ami Joi Benton- Thanks Wrenn RowanMorrison
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- Rowan, you know i think the world of... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 221,961i have seen all the great posts you do in other areas, and i have learned from them also.
i know you have a great heart in there
peace
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This is a reply to # 221,978into a mutual admiration society, because you know I think you are the best. :)
My message is sometime lost in the delivery, LOL, but I really do mean well.- my two cents... jmc
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This is a reply to # 221,979one-i follow the rules of the Master-Cleanse becuz they're the rules. kinda like being at work on time.
two-i am trying to figure-out what i can eat with The Master Cleanser every day of my life becuz it makes me feel so good, maybe these little, yellow watermelons with the striped skin. that would be heaven. and those organic bananas in all of their blessed plumpness.
and three-these posts are infinately much better to lurk about and read than "i'm on hour thirty six, help" and "it was a rope, i swear it was a rope."
and it's not oxy-something, it's Oxypowder don'tcha know.
wage on, i have pulp in my teeth ;]
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This is a reply to # 221,990Hi JMC,
I'm glad you have pulp in between your teeth! ;~)
I look forward to the day when I again can have pulp, spinach or Celery stuck between mine. ;~)
About the "oxy-whatever" comment. I wasn't putting the product down, nor people who take it. I really could not recall what it was called & I was in the midst, once again, of attemtping to understand why some people here are so judgemental about the reasons one chooses to do the mc & what people do when they are on the mc. My feelings are if you can't write something supportive then don't post anything at all.
I've always had trouble with punctuality but I do see your point with following it by the book. I have so far but it's only day 9 for me in 45 minutes (I like to round up ;~). I seem to have the greatest difficulty with day 8. I wanted to end it all again on day 8. Thinking that this is all bs & that there must be a better way. But I've prevailed & in 32 minutes it will be day 9. ;~)Anyway, Part of me feels that nothing should be altered at all but then I think everyone is different perhaps there should be a bit of leeway for modifications. And then the mc is 60 years old so maybe it could use an update? But I don't know? I have not done it enough to know. However, I am open-minded to any & all suggestions which are logical, healthy & within sound reason as far as the various opinions on the why's, when's & what's of The Master Cleanse.
Have fun with your pulp! ;~)
Cheers!
PS ~ I for one will not discuss what leaves my body. ;~) Ropes, marbles, beads, foi gras from 1999 etc........Although, I think it's great that people can be so descriptive about such things, I cannot. I'll have to ask my therapist what tis may mean. ;~)- pot calling the kettle black :) RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 221,995" My feelings are if you can't write something supportive then don't post anything at all."
Ummmmm.......lotus33 - you might want to take a look back on some of your posts and think about why those posts themselves could come across as very judgmental.
You have posted ad nauseum that you don't understand why people here respond the way they do to the weight-loss-only crowd. It has been explained to you ad nauseum why they do. Yet you persist in making sly digs at those and then turn around and call THEM "judgmental." Can't you post something constructive instead of destructive?
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This is a reply to # 221,995exactly!
this forum is for master cleanse in its basic layout SUPPORT.
it is not for us to decide it it needs an *update * or not.
it works fine as it is.. and to accommodate those that wished to
write their own version, or add tos,
the general fasting forum was created.
so that those here who are sincerely trying to follow the true version of Dr. Burroughs cleanse
not get confused by all the misinfo that might get construed.
esp newcommers to the cleanse .. when they see jack drank coffee..
jill had blueberry juice twice a day lol
someone else had brothe for lunch each day..
etc NO!
those kind of adds belong on the general fasting forum
*pulp* from fresh squeezed lemons is allowed on the cleanse 8)
if you feel a desire to *rewrite* the cleanse,
it needs to be taken to the general fasting forum
anything UNSUPPORTIVE of the basic master cleanse as far as
what can be used etc.. that deviates from what you specifically do while ON the cleanse is not within posting guidelines
and as such , may potentiallly be transfered to general fasting forum. or hidden.
for the sake of non confusion for those that wish to follow the true master-cleanse ala Dr. Burroughs.
Truth in Kindness
Ami Joi Benton
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exactly!
this forum is for master cleanse in its basic layout SUPPORT.
it is not for us to decide it it needs an *update * or not.
it works fine as it is.. and to accommodate those that wished to
write their own version, or add tos,
the general fasting forum was created.
so that those here who are sincerely trying to follow the true version of Dr. Burroughs cleanse
not get confused by all the misinfo that might get construed.
esp newcommers to the cleanse .. when they see jack drank coffee..
jill had blueberry juice twice a day lol
someone else had brothe for lunch each day..
etc NO!
those kind of adds belong on the general fasting forum
*pulp* from fresh squeezed lemons is allowed on the cleanse 8)
if you feel a desire to *rewrite* the cleanse,
it needs to be taken to the general fasting forum
anything UNSUPPORTIVE of the basic master cleanse as far as
what can be used etc.. that deviates from what you specifically do while ON the cleanse is not within posting guidelines
and as such , may potentiallly be transfered to general fastign forum. or hidden.
for the sake of non confusion for those that wish to follow the true master-cleanse ala Dr. Burroughs.
Truth in Kindness
Ami Joi Benton
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This is a reply to # 222,011Wrenn,
I am not re-writing the fast. But many other members here in fact HAVE. I have read about so many add ons & I see no negative remarks cast on their opinons to use P&B shakes, for instance. It was ONLY when a few members had mentioned we are trying to lose weight via the mc that a few KEY members here got really upset. I have never ONCE made a post specifying that I alter the fast in ANY way except for stating that I believe that colonics, or enemas may be useful even though Burroughs did not believe in them. And I drink parsley tea rather than mint. They are in the same herb family so I think it's okay. (Should I tremble as I confess to this Master-Cleanse sin?)
I specifically wrote that I follow The Master Cleanse without alteration. In my struggle to continue on the fast I wondered to myself if it could or should be changed? Just a human question as I find The Master Cleanse a bit difficult. I HAVE NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO CHANGE ONE THING IN The Master Cleanse PROTOCOL. In fact, I was surprised when I read on these boards that people do P & B shakes, colonics, enemas, take supplements etc.... etc.... etc....but I never wrote anything negative to them about their choice in doing so.
I also think that when a member makes rude, sarcastic & personal attacks on another person, or on a whole group of people suffering from a serious disease, like AIDS/HIV, that they should apologize for their comments. I know that I would without hesitation.
I'm glad that you find Rowan Morrison helpful as I don't think his style is very welcoming at all. Especially since only certain members are targeted by his sarcasm & insensitive remarks. I don't find it appropriate on a SUPPORT health forum.
Best Wishes
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Wrenn,
I am not re-writing the fast. Many members here have done add ons & I see no negative remarks cast on their opinons to use P&B shakes, for instance. It is only when a few of us have mentioned that we are trying to lose weight that a few members have gotten really upset. I have never made one post suggesting to alter the fast in any way except for stating that I believe that colonics, or enemas may be useful even though Burroughs did not believe in them. And I drink parsley tea rather than mint. They are in the same family so I thik it's okay. (Should I tremble as I confess to this Master-Cleanse sin?)
I also think that when a member makes rude, sarcastic & personal attacks on another person, or on a whole group of people suffering from a serious disease that they should apologize for their comments. I know that I would without hesitation.
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This is a reply to # 222,016everyone wants to lose weight on the MC, but whatever.
"they" were here when i got here, write awesome posts, and come off as puritanical,
but, i don't think they're trying to ruin this board or anything like that. think of how many fatso's (i am sometimes one) come here for two days and then disappear forever, but only after posting the most ridiculous stuff that, in fact, kills their MC, and then three days later there is a new round of posts about one meal a day or squiggly thingies in the pot or whatever.
i'm seriously trying to formulate an Master-Cleanse and raw foods plan for every day living for myself. i see both sides of the argument, but maybe in just this one place the rigidity is needed. having said that, i am also guilty of breaking the rules. i do Oxypowder , a no-no, although i would love to see what burrows woulda said about the stuff, because i want more out of the Master-Cleanse than the P+B gave me, and also because i am going to die if i have to do the SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) every day that i want to drink my lemonade. only the SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) intimidates me when i consider long fasts. once it's come back up, the memory stays. i cringe when i read people posting about how much they love their warm, a.m. broth. i always think, newbie, but who knows.
this is the premier spot to read about the Master-Cleanse and other issues. there's too much to learn here to get mad, however. just chill. sit back and watch the next "you" go at it with the uppperclassmen. it'll be happening by october 10th at the latest.
myself, i would like to do The Master Cleanser , cheat with a couple of essentials, look awesome and be healthy. unfortunately, i tried it and it didn't work. pauvre mia.
and, i am trying to lurk, not be in this malarky, but i feel like i used to be you, here, and i don't think that you should bang your head against the wall until you leave here frustrated.
now please, i need to resume my dreams or irish cheddar, spicy chinese noodles, wasabi peas, the granola from the hippie store with the hemp in it, and beer. gallons and gallons of belgian beer.
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everyone wants to lose weight on the MC, but whatever.
"they" were here when i got here, write awesome posts, and come off as puritanical,
but, i don't think they're trying to ruin this board or anything like that. think of how many fatso's (i am sometimes one) come here for two days and then disappear forever, but only after posting the most ridiculous stuff that, in fact, kills their MC, and then three days later there is a new round of posts about one meal a day or sqiggly thingies in the pot or whatever.
i'm seriously trying to formulate an MC and raw foods plan for every day living for myself. i see both sides of the argument, but maybe in just this one place the rigidy is needed. having said that, i am also guilty of breaking the rules. i do Oxypowder , a no-no, although i would love to see what burrows woulda said about the stuff, because i want more out of the MC than the P+B gave me, and also because i am going to die if i have to do the SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) every day that i want to drink my lemonade. only the SWF intimidates me when i consider long fasts. once it's come back up, the memory stays. i cringe when i read people posting about how much they love their warm, a.m. broth. i always think, newbie, but who knows.
this is the premier spot to read about the MC and other issues. there's too much to learn here to get mad, however. just chill. sit back and watch the next "you" go at it with the uppperclassmen. it'll be happening by october 10th at the latest.
myself, i would like to do The Master Cleanser , cheat with a couple of essentials, look awesome and be healthy. unfortunately, i tried it and it didn't work. pauvre mia.
and, i am trying to lurk, not be in this malarky, but i feel like i used to be you, here, and i don't think that you should bang your head against the wall until you leave here frustrated.
now please, i need to resume my dreams or irish cheddar, spicy chinese noodles, wasabi peas, the granola from the hippie store with the hemp in it, and beer. gallons and gallons of belgian beer.
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This is a reply to # 222,070Hi JMC,
Thanks for your post. I am not angry. I merely will not allow someone to be rude to me. A few posts from Wednesday evening were deleted by the moderator, so you may or may not know exactly what transpired.
Here are my thoughts:
a)Just because other members said ridiculous things on this board in the past doesn't mean that I will, or that I have. I do not take kindly to being prejudged although I realize that it's the unprovoked attackers' problem more than mine. I don't take it personally I simply don't care for it. I will work on this dislike of mine.
b)Burrough's specifically speaks about The Master Cleanse as a weight reducing regimine.........and SO MUCH MORE. I am attempting to repair several on-going health ailments & yes I'd like to lose 15-20 pounds. I never knew I had to apologize for making such a radical confession. I never even said that I'd do it in 1 cleanse. The mc is not a magic bullet for anything. Not to detox the body & not for weight loss. Imho, I highly doubt that anyone fully detoxes from only 10 days. I am not saying that it isn't possible to fully cleanse if the person has been living a super healthy lifestyle but I even doubt it then due to enviromental factors. No one would condemn anyone who posted that they were mcing because they have cancer but say that you'd like to lose some weight & it's blasphemy.
c) This is my 3rd round of incomplete mc's. Today is day 9. I detest the taste of the salt water flush. That's right I hate it & I'm a newbie. I also don't like the taste of molasses very much but I manage to get it down. Cayenne & lemon/limeade I like very much. I don't even mix the molasses into the stuff I drink it unsweetened & I like just fine. Back to dislikes: I hate the way my mouth tastes & my breath smells. I cannot tolerate all the running to the toilet. I don't like my skin breaking out. I miss sushi, sake, cassoulet, a nice Rhone wine or perhaps one from Alsace, paella, Thai food, pink lady apples, celery, persimmmons, figs, pears, pomegranites, tahini, hummus, pita, olives, pickles, Jewish rye bread, Belgian chocolate & yes I too miss wasabi peas plus all those tastey little Japanese rice crackers wrapped in seaweed they are my favorite!!! I miss them!
d) I had to leave work early today (day 9) because I am having far too many elminations. I'm not very happy about the inopportune timing & my manager's disapproval of my sudden "illness". But unless I was going to opt for wearing an adult diaper, or a colostomy bag I had no choice. She is not someone who would understand mcing, or fasting of any kind so no, she does not know that I am mcing. I find mcing in the real world tough. Don't like it one bit. have yet to get all that energy so that I can go white water rafting, run 10 miles & bike up Mt. Everest. It amazes me that people can do such stuff on so few calories. Can Science be wrong that we need to fuel & refule our bodies when doing strenous exercise. Hmmmmm.....I wonder??????
f) Although I have had some negative experiences on this board I am in no way discouraged, or feel that other experienced mcers have nothing valid to contribute. I am in no way judging the others by the negative actions of a few. I have never doubted, nor taken issue with all the experience, knowledge & wisdom of seasoned mcers, even those who attacked me.
g)I am NOT opposed to following the mc verbatim. I myself am following it strictly by the letter. Unless I am to be burned at the stake for drinking parsley tea rahter than mint, or the fact that I stopped swfing after I swelled up & chose to only drink the laxative herbal tea for 5 days I could not be following the mc any stricter. Oh & then there were the first 3 days where I only drank the lemon/lime aid cold. I know it was a crazy idea! But I did it anyway. If you notice I frequently advise buying the book as that is the only way to TRULY know that what you are being told, or what is posted on the web is the real deal. I HAVE NEVER ADVOCATED TO CHEAT WHILST MCING. NEVER EVER ONCE DID I SAY TO EVEN TAKE A P&B SHAKE AS I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT DOING IT ON SUCH A STRICT FAST. YES I THOUGHT ABOUT BUT I'VE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH JOHNNY DEPP. GRANTED THE FANTASIES OF P& B SHAKES ARE FAR MORE REALISTIC BUT I STILL HAVE NEVER TAKEN THEM ON THIS PARTICULAR FAST. AND I NEVER TOLD OTHERS TO DO IT. I DID OFFER THE RECIPE BUT THE MEMBER REQUESTED IT. I ASSUMED THEY WERE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION WITHOUT ANY ADMONISHMENTS FROM ME. I AM NOT INTO CENSURING OTHER ADULTS OR EVEN CHILDREN FOR THAT MATTER. ALTHOUGH I WILL KINDLY RECOMMEND ANOTHER FORUM IF THEY SOUND AS IF THEY ARE IN NEED OF IT.
H) I welcome others to defend themselves against anyone in real life or on-line when being disrespected. I believe that it's the only choice one has when being attacked. I am looking forward to October 10th.
I) I think it's great that you are working your own master cleanse program. My friend said that she read excerpts from a book which she thinks sounds oddly like The Master Cleanse but it wasn't as strict. She cannot recall the name of the book. I wouldn't be surpised if we see a whole slew of programs with the original master cleanse as the seed of the "new" regimine.
Thanks for your post. I hope that you have happy chedder & Belgian beer dreams.
Take Care
PS ~ I didn't drink them often but I miss Belgian beer too! I love Delerium Nocturnum, Delerium Tremens, Chimay, Oooh & the one with the raspberry flavor??? Lindemans Frambois???
PSS ~ I'd also rather discuss writers I love Wilde, Henry James, Dickens, Georg Sand, Shelley, Byron & Keats.
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Hi JMC,
Thanks for your post. I am not angry. I merely will not allow someone to be rude to me. A few posts from Wednesday evening were deleted by the moderator, so you may or may not know exactly what transpired.
Here are my thoughts:
a)Just because other people said ridiculous things on the board doesn't mean that I am, or have. I do not take kindly to being prejudged although I realize that it's the unprovoked attackers problem more than mine. I don;t take it perosnally I simply don't care for it. I will work on this dislike of mine.
b)Burrough's specifically speaks about The Master Cleanse as a weight reducing regimine.........and SO MUCH MORE. I am attempting to repair several on-going health ailments & yes I'd like to lose 15-20 pounds. I never knew I had to apologize for making such a radical confession. I never even said that I'd do it in 1 cleanse. The mc is not a magic bullet for anything. Not to detox the body & not for weight loss. Imho, I highly doubt that anyone fully detoxes from only 10 days. I am not saying that it isn't possible to fully cleanse if the person has been living a super healthy lifestyle but I even doubt it then due to enviromental factors. No one would condemn anyone who posted that they were mcing because they have cancer but say that you'd like to lose some weight & it's blasphemy.
c) This is my 3rd round of incomplete mc's. Today is day 9. I detest the taste of the salt water flush. That's right I hate it & I'm a newbie. I also don't like the taste of molasses very much but I manage to get it down. Cayenne & lemon/limeade I like very much. I don't even mix the molasses into the stuff I drink it unsweetened & I like just fine. Back to dislikes: I hate the way my mouth tastes & my breath smells. I cannot tolerate all the running to the toilet. I don't like my skin breaking out. I miss sushi, sake, cassoulet, a nice Rhone wine or perhaps one from Alsace, paella, Thai food, pink lady apples, celery, persimmmons, figs, pears, pomegranites, tahini, hummus, pita, olives, pickles, Jewish rye bread, Belgian chocolate & yes I too miss wasabi peas plus all those tastey little Japanese rice crackers wrapped in seaweed they are my favorite!!! I miss them!
d) I had to leave work early today (day 9) because I am having far too many elminations. I'm not very happy about the inopportune timing & my manager's disapproval of my sudden "illness". But unless I as going to opt for wearing an adult diaper, or a colostomy bag I had no choice. She is not someone who would understand mcing, or fasting of any kind so no, she does not know that I am mcing. I find mcing in the real world tough. Don't like it one bit. have yet to get all that energy so that I can go white water rafting, run 10 miles & bike up Mt. Everest. It amazes me that people can do such stuff on so few calories. Can Science be wrong that we need to fuel & refule our bodies when doing strenous exercise. Hmmmmm.....I wonder??????
e) No one from what I have read, including myself, was ever rude, disrespectful or made disparaging remarks to any of the experienced master cleansers on this board. Yet, I myself have been subjected to sarcasm, rudeness & derogatory comments from a master master cleanser & a master master cleanser who is also a "moderator" from the get go. I use the word "moderator" loosely as his skills in that area are questionable.......in my opinion. Anyway, such actions are not very becoming of not just a gentleman but definitely not of a master master cleanser, or a master mc moderator. If I desired to be humiliated to the point of possible sabotage, I have my family & friends who do that perfectly well, thank you very much. I ignored their rudeness for a time as I believe it reflects more poorly on them then on me. But I let it go long enough. I feel that just as it is their freedom to attack me without just cause it is also my justifiable right to defend myself against such people.
f) Although I have had some negative experiences on this board I am in no way discouraged, or feel that other experienced mcers have nothing valid to contribute. I am in no way judging the others by the negative actions of a few. I have never doubted, nor taken issue with all the experience, knowledge & wisdom of seasoned mcers, even those who attacked me.
g)I am NOT opposed to following the mc verbatim. I myself am following it strictly by the letter. Unless I am to be burned at the stake for drinking parsley tea rahter than mint, or the fact that I stopped swfing after I swelled up & chose to only drink the laxative herbal tea for 5 days I could not be following the mc any stricter. Oh & then there were the first 3 days where I only drank the lemon/lime aid cold. I know it was a crazy idea! But I did it anyway. If you notice I frequently advise buying the book as that is the only way to TRULY know that what you are being told, or what is posted on the web is the real deal. I HAVE NEVER ADVOCATED TO CHEAT WHILST MCING. NEVER EVER ONCE DID I SAY TO EVEN TAKE A P&B SHAKE AS I AM NOT SO SURE ABOUT DOING IT ON SUCH A STRICT FAST. YES I THOUGHT ABOUT BUT I'VE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH JOHNNY DEPP. GRANTED THE FANTASIES OF P& B SHAKES ARE FAR MORE REALISTIC BUT I STILL HAVE NEVER TAKEN THEM ON THIS PARTICULAR FAST. AND I NEVER TOLD OTHERS TO DO IT. I DID OFFER THE RECIPE BUT THE MEMBER REQUESTED IT. I ASSUMED THEY WERE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION WITHOUT ANY ADMONISHMENTS FROM ME. I AM NOT INTO CENSURING OTHER ADULTS OR EVEN CHILDREN FOR THAT MATTER. ALTHOUGH I WILL KINDLY RECOMMEND ANOTHER FORUM IF THEY SOUND AS IF THEY ARE IN NEED OF IT.
H) I welcome others to defend themselves against anyone in real life or on-line when being disrespected. I believe that it's the only choice one has when being attacked. I am looking forward to October 10th.
I) I think it's great that you are working your own master cleanse program. My friend said that she read excerpts from a book which she thinks sounds oddly like the master cleanse but it wasn't as strict. She cannot recall the name of the book. I wouldn't be surpised if we see a whole slew of programs with the original master cleanse as the seed of the "new" regimine.
Thanks for your post. I hope that you have happy chedder & Belgian beer dreams.
Take Care
PS ~ I didn't drink them often but I miss Belgian beer too! I love Delerium Nocturnum, Delerium Tremens, Chimay, Oooh & the one with the raspberry flavor??? Lindemans Frambois???
PSS ~ I'd also rather discuss writers I love Wilde, Henry James, Dickens, Georg Sand, Shelley, Byron & Keats.
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