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That was the question. I got so distracted with using or not using the PB shake while doing the Master-Cleanse I forgot my priorities and my will just broke. I blew it on day eight of my Master-Cleanse fast. It started with a kosher garlic pickle, just something to munch on, not to catastrophic. Then I figured I needed to cook up some brown rice, but that would take too long and I needed to eat now! So I dashed over to my neighborhood health food store to get some "healthy food". I bought some organic coconut macaroons, a bag of organic corn chips, a package of organic soy cheese to go with the rye crackers. (At least they weren't Ritz crackers.) That should hold me over until my organic brown rice was cooked. The result was an organic belly ache that didn't feel any beter than a standard one does.
Well live and learn, I hope. Today I deceided to do a pre Master Cleanse diet a good long while before my next MC. That means lots of fruit, eaten alone per food combining instructions, steamed veggies with Udo's Choice oil, no butter or dairy of any kind, non-flour bread (Trader Joe's has very good not too dense flourless bread), and half my body weight in pounds ounces of water. Thats a little over a gallon of water (124oz.)for me. No more organic food orgies for me.
And while in pre-MC mode I can do the P&B shakes to clean up real good. Of course the P&B shake is 1 tbls. liquid Bentonite (Sonne's #7 brand) 1 tsp. psyllium powder in 10oz. to 12oz. water shaken well and followed by at least 12oz. of water or more. Do this three time a day on an empty stomache at least one hour before or after eating. Did I get it right?
That is whats so nice about this self cleansing/healing, you can always do it again and apply the lessons learned from your "failures".
- Re: To PB or not to PB... hopinso
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MoreThis is a reply to # 218,900I personally prefer to do the P&B or sometimes just the "P" shakes either before or after the Master Cleanse. I think the effects of the fast are much better when we keep the digestive track empty and as inactive as possible. Colon cleansing before MAster Cleanse can help make the Healing Crisis milder; done after MC, Colon Cleanses can sweep away mucoidal matter loosened during the cleanse.
- Re: To PB or not to PB... #979
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This is a reply to # 218,905I think alot of people on this forum are not doing "The Master Cleanse". They are doing a modified version of the Master-Cleanse but not the real MC. You hear alot about doing other cleanses, mostly the PB shakes with the MC, which is really not the real thing. Mr. Burroughs developed this system for a reason and that's to give the digestive system a huge break by not causing perastaltic contractions of the intestines to start digestion. You can't even chew gum on the cleanse! By putting ANYTHING into the mouth other than the lemonade will cause an adverse reaction, one other than the one Stanley intended. This IS The Master Cleanse not a modivied version, so when on this cleanse, only the recommended should go in and afterwards other cleanses can be done. I thought we should cleanse only one part of the body at a time. Cleansing can be a long and involved process if needed, and so it should be, if need be. That's not to say that doing PB shakes with the Master-Cleanse is not right, it's just not
"THE Master Cleanse".
that's just my opinion- Re: To PB or not to PB... hamonysearch
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MoreThis is a reply to # 218,908I keep reading posts where the same point is made repeatedly.
The Master Cleanse is a strict combo of lemonade , maple syrup and cayenne, with water.
Can we all agree on that?
Some individuals choose to combine The Master Cleanse with a parisite cleanse and or a Bowel Cleanse as well.
Does this make them bad, wrong, or somehow unwelcome here?
Where should they go? Can the P&B shakes not be mentioned here? What of those who encounter a crisis and turn to a enema, or colonic?
Some here have done remarkablely well on extended pure Master Cleanses. I applause their determination and success. I believe they have great insight to offer others.
I feel some what hesitant to mention this, because I don't want to stir the pot, but thought that should be said.
Lori
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- Re: To PB or not to PB... hamonysearch
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This is a reply to # 218,916For every person that actually post in this forum there are prolly hundred of newbies looking for info on the Master-Cleanse so it is a good thing that at least some admonitions are made regarding what the Master-Cleanse "actually is".
To my knowledge no one has been told they were "bad, wrong, or somehow unwelcome here". For the sake of new folks I do believe it's helpful and for the greater good that informed folks with "actual experience", "clarify" the possible effects of these additions that "are definetly not part of the MC". That's what you'll mostly see happening here. Your characterization of "bad, wrong, or somehow unwelcome here" is a bit melodramatic.- Re: To PB or not to PB... #979
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This is a reply to # 218,923One worry is that I have never done the salt water bath before. Is it hard to make it to the bathroom on time, even if you are just hanging around the house?>>
I'd say don't be more than a short sprint from the toilet. I'm usually in an ajoining room.
Can you do it later in the day instead of the morning?>>
No. It has to be done in the morning. The idea is to flush out any gunk that has accumulated all day and all night.
Are there any alternatives that are acceptable to this if your schedule doesn't permit?>>
I don't flush every morning. I know I pay a price for this in my detox level, but since it takes about 90 minutes for me to pass my water there's no way I can do it and be to work on time in the morning; I do it saturday and sunday mornings. (I always start on saturday morning.) I get 4 flushes in. It's the trade off I make.
I still have a good, satisfying results.
- I disagree roselinville
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This is a reply to # 218,927I have read posts where the people seemed pretty uptight about other people adding additional things to the MC. How can you blame people for adding additional things when there are so many posts here about peoples' success in doing the Master-Cleanse while doing addtional things?(such as a parasite cleanse)(kind of like, "while we're under the hood, let's do an oil change, flush & fill, etc."). I think it's OK if you want to be purist, but it sure would be nice if people would try to be a little more tolerant. : )- Re: I disagree RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 218,929It all depends on how you define "tolerant." I suspect I am one of the folks you are referring to. I am not supportive of people who add things like apple cider vinegar or the like to their Master-Cleanse (or the worse yet, bites of cookies; sorry, I just can't forget that one!!!).
I don't say anything about P&B shakes though, except to occasionally point out that they are not part of the Master-Cleanse and I personally don't do them.
This debate has been repeated here ad nauseum and I'm not getting into it again. This is the Master-Cleanse forum. If you want unqualified acceptance of your variations, go to the general fasting forum. - Re: I disagree pepe
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This is a reply to # 218,929What are you disagreeing to? That some folks with experience and info admonish how the Master-Cleanse actually works and help newcomers avoid any confusion by clarifying the possible affects of all these non Master-Cleanse additions? I for one never "suggest" to anyone that things don't work in a particular way without giving a comprehensive explanation for why and from what I read most if not all the other informed and experienced people here do the same.
When someone comes here and makes statement that are possibly harmfull and/or will posibly intefere with the "known" workings of the Master-Cleanse then just as it's their right to post and do whatever they want during the MC they should also expect and be thankful if anyone has any "reasonable info" to the contrary of what they're proposing.
I'll post this again just in case you didn't get it the first time:
For every person that actually post in this forum there are prolly hundreds of newbies looking for info on the MC so it is a good thing that at least some admonitions are made regarding what the MC "actually is".
It comes down to what Rowan said a few post below:
"People want unqualified acceptance of everything they do and get upset when they don't get it"
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- Re: To PB or not to PB... hamonysearch
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This is a reply to # 218,905Gang I am not trying to pick a fight.
Pepe , I respect and admire the lengths you have gone too.
Yes, by all means of course you are free to point out the points from the book to help clarify for others.
My point was simply that some individuals choose to combine several cleanses, and on occasion make reference to some of the other proceedures they are working with, perhaps a little leeway could be given to them and their choices.
Hospino mentioned doing the P& B shakes prior too or following the Master clease. ( A great suggestion to help keep the Cleanse pure) and not inturpt the cleanses intended format.
As for mellow dramatic. Hardly.
I will in furture withhold from posting here,so as not to offend. That was never my intention.
Good luck to all with your goals.
Peace
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This is a reply to # 218,928Did that ever get blown out of proportion!
Everyone has the right to do what ever they want to gain control of their health. Wheather it is The Master Cleanse or ten different cleanses done at the same time as the MC, the choice is individual. I was mearly stating facts, and I think everyone should know what the Master-Cleanse is truly about.
Detoxing the body too many ways at the same time can't be good either, no wonder so many have trouble during the cleansing process. It has taken years of abuse to get to this point, so trying too many things at once can create other problems. Detoxing can take a very long time not just one 10 day Master-Cleanse with PB shakes, Liver Flushes and so on.......all at the same time.
People shouldn't be so sensitive about the post here since we are on the Master Cleanse Forum and if you read the book, the Mr. Burroughs as a method to he maddness. Some people have had great results adding various other cleanses at the same time and others try to follow in their foot steps and get really sick or have nasty reactions and can't figure out why. Not everything will work the same way on everyone, so all I was saying is that the Master-Cleanse is a cleanse in itself and if followed properly shouldn't have too many bumps along the way. Probably less problems than if you start adding other cleanses to detox fast and dump all kinds of toxins into the system very quickly and quit because you feel like s**t for so long. Cleansing the body takes years and pre or post MC, other cleanses can be done very effectively with less stress on the body, especially for someone who is new to the cleansing world. No one is wrong for trying anything or doing anything, we are all individuals and what works for one doesn't always work for another.
Bottom line The Master Cleanse is the Master Cleanse.
- Re: wow! drewdraws
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This is a reply to # 218,931Yes, the Master-Cleanse is the Master-Cleanse and it is nice that you understand that others are allowed to modify. On this site in FACT many learned people do suggest modifications to compliment this cleanse because as you said we all are different. I do appreciate what you have to say about starting simply with the Master-Cleanse but the p&b, enemas and such can keep things eliminating as that is one of if not the most important part of detoxing. Yes, I have read the book more than once and will read it many more times. It is filled with many wonderful facts but not everything is absolute. Now, have you read the opening link to the MC on this site? If not, here is a link for you if you would like to check it out.
//www.curezone.org/cleanse/bowel/master_cleanse.asp
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- Re: To PB or not to PB... pepe
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This is a reply to # 218,928No one has been offended from what I can tell. Again this is another "assumptive characterization" that doesn't jive with what I see going on. I don't see anyone fighting either. What I have seen so far is folks presenting "reasonble views" that you don't agree with.
So relax, hang out set a spell take your shoes off and don't expect everyone to agree with you and if you don't like their advice then just don't take it and go bout your bidnez. Folks will still be here to answer and support you to the best of their abilities. Simple huh? ;+D
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- Re: To PB or not to PB... drewdraws
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This is a reply to # 218,900Yep, grump, you got it right. Thanks for an other humorous post. Life’s experiences are our greatest teacher, boy don't I know that. Anyway, what's up with all the controversy following this fun little post?
- Re: To PB or not to PB... RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 218,935People want unqualified acceptance of everything they do and get upset when they don't get it.
- Bottom Line n/p pepe 20 y 2,451
- human nature... drewdraws 20 y 2,482
- Re: To PB or not to PB... koritzls
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This is a reply to # 218,935Maybe everyone would feel better if they skipped the P&B shake and had a PB&J shake instead!
Just kidding!
;-)- Re: To PB or not to PB... drewdraws
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This is a reply to # 218,942that way we could join Grump with a little tummy ache... be sure to make it an organic PB&J:-)
- Re: To PB or not to PB... RowanMorrison
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This is a reply to # 218,942LOL, but here is how stupid I am -
When I first started coming around to these forums about a year ago, a Master-Cleanse neophyte, I saw that people were talking about a "P&B" shake and I immediately perked up -
hey! Something to eat! I really thought it was something like peanut butter.
That confusion is one reason i am such a stickler about making it clear whenever anyone posts a variation that it is, in fact, a variation. I know not everyone is as stupid as I am, but I am sure there are at least a handful of easily-confused people such as me who can only process so much information at a time and really need to know the basics first before they start improvising.
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