Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 Squam... 
BuddyRo
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Hello all,
A close friend of mine, John, who is 52 yrs. old, was just diagnosed with stage 4 Squamous cell carcinoma of the neck and throat.He sees an oncologist for the first time on Tuesday, March 4,2014.
His primary care physician told him he has a 75% chance of recovery, based on what, I don't know, but my research and personal experience tell me otherwise.
In 2010, my brother died 8 months after being diagnosed with stage 3 Squamous cell carcinoma of the esophagus. In 2012, another close friend of mine was dead 2 months after being diagnosed with throat cancer. He was gone so quickly that I didn't even get a chance to see him before I got a crushing phone call from his family, telling me he had just passed.
In both cases they received only radiation and Chemo.There was no surgery.
As a child, my father watched "his" father die from cancer at the age of 39 and then he had to watch his son suffer the same fate, at the age of 39 also. The radiation/chemo combination seemed to have made a horrible situation even worse and like many others, we always ask ourselves if my brother might have lived a little longer and suffered a lot less if he had received no treatment at all.
I have about 6 or 8 hours of research time under my belt familiarizing myself with some of the alternative methods of treatment, so I have a reasonable idea of the big picture involving the diet and supplements associated with curing cancer, but it will take a lot more time before I could possibly feel comfortable sharing any particular options with him and his family.
His wife and daughter are well aware of the risks involved and they were the ones who actually reached out to me, for help in finding an alternative option to radiation, chemo and surgery. I promised them I will do everything in my power, to put as much information as possible in front of them, so that their energies can be better spent caring for John, both physically and emotionally.
John and I both live in Virginia Beach, VA. If anyone knows of any current or soon to be starting experimental studies or treatments that do not dramatically compromise the immune system and are located within a reasonable driving distance from here, we would be very interested in finding out more about them.
I was also hoping that someone could help direct me towards a link that would supply some of the obvious questions that a patient might ask their oncologist during their first visit, if they were not comfortable jumping right into radiation treatments and chemotherapy.
I have quite a few questions written down already, but I thought some members might have already compiled a more comprehensive and informed list than the one I have come up with myself.
These questions will also help me to be able to answer some of the follow up questions that might be asked by some of the members of this forum. It will also help to expediate the process of crafting a plan going forward.
Most importantly, please direct me towards any and all treatments that any of you have intimate knowledge of, that have resulted in a positive outcome, fighting a cancer similar to what John is currently dealing with.
As soon as I submit this post, I am going to dive into some of the other messages and responses available on this forum in hopes of finding some recent, real life treatments and successes from survivors of stage 4 throat and neck cancer. If anyone knows of a particularly relevant discussion on this topic, please share it with me.
I can't in good conscious watch John suffer the way that my brother did. I desperately want him to have a fighting chance. If anyone has any input or suggestions,by all means, please chime in.
I promise to keep everyone updated on John's progress, good or bad, along with the treatments being used and any significant details involving them.
Thanks in advance for any and all help and recommendations received.
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,155,396First, they will want to rush him into chemo and radiation so that they can collect as much money as they can before he passes. Sad but true.
Second, nobody gets cancer because they did not get enough radiation or poison through chemo.
Cancer is the product of excess poisons and excess radiation or in some cases, a viral infection, and an impaired immune system.
The only hope is to fix the immune system.
I suggest http://www.cancertutor.com . It is absolutely the most authoritative site to be found. The ACS ( American Cancer Society ) is the last source that I would consider. They are nothing but a money funnel and propaganda promoters. I have never seen one single productive result of their existence.
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... JesichasHope
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This is a reply to # 2,155,442You gave good honest information. Too many are afraid to tell the truth.
No Drug cures anything, they treat but do not cure; our immune system is our defense system, chemo breaks down the immune system, leaving our body defenseless. Radiation cannot cure cancer, it burns out the tumor, leaving toxins that could cause secondary cancer. Only in an emergency circumstance should radiation be used to quickly shrink a tumor that is causing a life threatening situation.
Western medicine does not want to cure cancer, it wants to treat it chronically. You become a cash cow.
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... JesichasHope
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... JesichasHope
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This is a reply to # 2,155,396There are a lot of options he can. Yes, the organic diet is one major components, and should be what we all should live by just to be proactive. Also the elimination of all causative toxins and chemicals around the house. From soaps and shampoos, to household cleaners. You want to clean up the environment around you the best you can.
Cancer, such as his, does not put time on his side; cancer grows night and day, everyday and does not give you a break. Getting him to talk to an alternative doctor, with expertise in options should give him a good second option so he can then compare what the conventional oncologist says and the integrative oncologist says. Education is the best weapon here.
There are a lot of options listed on Jesicha's Hope, google it and go to the cancer treatments. For his type of cancer there are several newly available treatments used for some time elsewhere with years of success. The objective is always to kill the cancer without side effects; resolve the cause and regain health. The problem with western medicine is they treat the cancer but do not try to cure it, you cannot cure if the cause is still there.
Questions he needs to ask, What are the side effects? What are the long term effects? What risks to my organs and will you check my liver, heart, etc for changes? What nutrients do you recommend?
Do you do EKG's to determine heart abnormalities during chemo treatments? Would have have problem with me doing alternative integrative treatments? Do you do thermograms?
The answers to those questions will tell a lot about the oncologists attitude and how he treats. All chemo can hurt the heart, whether they are honest or not. EKG's carefully screened with show a slight abnormality, this can cause sudden heart attack. Most will not know anything about nutrients, you want a doctor that has read enough to know that a healthy Diet is essential in fighting cancer. You need to know how straight forward and honest the doctor is; if he just pushes chemo and radiation, pushing off any talk about nutrition, or integrative treatments I would be concerned.- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,155,448Thanks so much everyone,
Paraz, You struck a chord when you said, "They will try to rush him into Chemo and radiation", which is my biggest fear. That is why I want him to have a list of intelligent questions, such as the one's Jessica provided, so, at the very least, his oncologist will know we are doing our homework and have no intention of John being treated like a piece of fast food.
I think I may be able to go to the oncologist with John today because of a small snowstorm that came through last night. It has me grounded for the day.
I am going to incorporate Jessica's questions into my own and wing it. The very first question on my list is, "If this were you, your wife, or one of your children, what course of action would you be taking". I intend to keep eye contact during his entire response. Everything else will fall into place after that.
The most difficult part will be trying not to be rude if the Doctor is not receptive to any suggestions/questions we have and tries a hard sell approach. Hopefully this is not the case, but with the clock working against us right now, I would expect the added pressure of him needing a prompt decision on John's part.
I will give everyone an update this evening, after the oncologist appt. I am sure that I will have more info on the basic, particulars of his condition, if nothing else.
Thanks again,
BuddyRo
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... Dquixote1217
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This is a reply to # 2,155,396In addition to some excellent advice already given in this thread, if it were me I would hit it hard and fast with as much as I could. I suggest a comprehensive approach that includes eliminating toxins, juicing and cleansing to make the body as inhospitable to cancer as possible, and inclusion of proven powerful cancer fighters such as cannabis oil, Oleander extract, turmeric, medicinal mushroom combinations and more. Parazapper mentioned the excellent Cancertutor site - and I note that the protocol I have developed and refined over the years is listed as one of the top rated treatments by Cancertutor. You can find it and much more cancer information at the Cancer Alternatives page I recently put together which has links to all the cancer information on my website.
http://www.tbyil.com/Cancer_Alternatives.htm
If at all possible, I would obtain cannabis oil and take it internally as well as apply it frequently externally. Optionally, or even additionally, I would apply a concentrated Oleander based ointment throughout the day. The makers of the Oleander based line of supplements, suthrelandiaopc.com introduced a new concentrated oleander ointment in recent months called Rose Laurel Ointment which has as much oleander in a small 50 ml container as an entire bottle of 60 pure oleander capsules, and already there have been several good reports of its success against external cancers.
One other thing - I agree that a 75% prognosis does not sound accurate - at least not with conventional treatments. Perhaps the oncologist was talking about a 75% "response rate" and your friend took that to mean a 75% chance of success - two entirely different things, but a ploy often used by oncologists to divert attention from the often abysmal actual cure rates.- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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This is a reply to # 2,155,551Hi Dq,
The 75 % rate was given to him by a doctor other than his oncologist, who he sees for the first time today. Everything could change significantly, one way or the other, after this visit
In a generic sense, I am familiar with the approaches and remedies that you listed. Where I am going to need help is in knowing if any of these treatments can be used in conjunction with each other or if it could fall into the "too much of a good thing," category.
I would hate to undermine the effectiveness of one treatment by, for example, adding cannabis oil to an Oleander treatment, etc. Hopefully you guys can help me wade through that part of it.
As I said before, I will keep everyone updated as we go along, regardless of the outcome.
I so dearly want an alternative method to work for him, for many reasons, along with the most important one, "saving his life".
There would be no better way to get people to listen, than to be able to say, "John is living proof" of cancer not being a death sentence.
I am of the age now, 52 ,where a lot of people I know are getting sick and dying.I know it's part of the process, but some of these people are just too young to be moving on.
Some people I know have already pointed to the fact that Steve Jobs opted for an alternative cure for his cancer and it possibly ended up costing him his life, by waiting too long to start the radiation, chemo, surgery option.
I don't know all the details of what he tried, but I am sure there is more to the story than these people know.
Thanks again and I will update everyone when I get back from his oncologist.
BuddyRo - Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,155,551Hey gang,
A Quick update. Everything is worse than I had hoped. John's Oncologist told him he was in the less than 25% chance of survival category and promptly scheduled him for chemo and radiation, just like Parazapper said they would.
It was a horrible experience. If we had not asked questions, none would have been answered.
As I was driving home, absorbing what I had just witnessed, it dawned on me that this guy might not have even been a full blown doctor. He came across as more of a physicians asst. or an intern maybe.
He went down a short set of talking points and that was it. Once I started asking questions, he struggled mightily to answer them.
When I had finally had enough of the awkwardness in which he was responding to our questions, I politely asked him, "if this was your son, daughter or wife, would you be comfortable using the exact same treatment that you are scheduling for John". Without hesitation or even looking up from the paper he was writing something on, he said, "absolutely, it's pretty much standard procedure",only making eye contact at the very end of his answer. This guy was simply operating off of a mental script.
A few specifics that I found out are: A 4cm. supraglottic tumor, Stage 4A that has spread into the lymph nodes, T3N2C classification ?
John is scheduled to start Taxol and Cisplatin/Carboplatin, along with radiation treatments, on March 12th.
Is it unrealistic to possibly see a tiny bit of improvement in that short of a time frame if John goes into full detox mode immediately, and how might those improvements manifest themselves?
As long as things can at least hold steady with a hint of an uptick, his family is ready and willing to forgo the chemo and radiation treatment.
There is much more I want to share about Johns oncology visit, but I will have to save it for another time.
Right now I just want to focus on getting John's body detoxed as quickly as possible and I am going to have to choose a detoxification program for him tonight because he doesn't have internet access, so I need to start researching some of the links you guys were kind enough to share with me.
As always,any input and recommendations are greatly appreciated and I will provide updates as we go.
Thank You,
BuddyRo- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... shotsee
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This is a reply to # 2,155,729Hi Buddy,
If it were me, I would definitely NOT take any chemo or radiation, but would use a combination of the following:
1) If available, intravenous vitamin C [100 to 200 grams, at least initially]. That will make him FEEL better virtually immediately.
2) Lypo-C, all he can afford [at LEAST 20 to 30 grams per day, at least initially]. Again, should improve how he feels quite rapidly.
3) Oral ascorbic acid to Bowel Tolerance, although that will probably not be as rapid as the above two.
4) If he is really serious, going on a fresh vegetable, e.g. carrot, etc., juice FAST. He can drink all he wants, IF it is FRESH. That alone would probably cure him eventually [IF the cancer does not get him first].
Just some thoughts, and I hope it helps.
David - Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... parazapper
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This is a reply to # 2,155,729>- Taxol and Cisplatin/Carboplatin, along with radiation treatments, on March 12th.
The very worst that you can take. Extremely toxic. Not likely to survive this.
>- As long as things can at least hold steady with a hint of an uptick,
If he starts and this does not happen, he will not finish and be gone much faster than he would if he did nothing. Dying from these poisons is definitely worst than dying from the cancer. I have seen many die.
I knew one lady who was given 1 year if she did nothing. She took 2 treatments and was bedridden within a couple of weeks and gone in 3-1/2 months, suffering immensely.
>- Is it unrealistic to possibly see a tiny bit of improvement
To be honest, it is probably better to do nothing than to take these poisons. At least that is my opinion.
There is no harm in detoxing and cleansing, regardless.
I am not saying that anything will cure him but he is more likely to live a full life if he gets rid of the cause of his cancer.
The cause of cancer is never "you did not take enough poison yet" and is never "you have not had enough radiation yet". On top of that, I would only do what the doctor suggested if they gave a money back guarantee. That means if they fail, then they refund 100 percent of what they received, including insurance co. payments.
Once again, cancertutor.com is the best choice for anyone.
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... hiawathaforever
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This is a reply to # 2,155,729For what it's worth, I have a friend who's wife was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. It's all over her liver, intestines, gallbladder, etc, etc. That was about 4 weeks ago. She isn't out of the woods just yet, but she is feeling and doing much better. She's doing a lot of natural things for it, but her primary protocol is IV Vit C in LARGE doses.
I also have a work buddy (in is early 30s) who got testicular cancer. He doesn't think environment or diet had/has anything to do with it and he opted for the chemo route. It did go into remission, but now they are trying to nurse him back from the brink of death.
I hope John chooses an alternative route. I hope he gets his health back.
Please keep us updated.
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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This is a reply to # 2,156,417Hiawatha and Shotsee,
What type of doctors administer these vitamin IV's. I am going to share this info with him and see what he thinks.
I am trying to talk him into waiting at least another week before doing any chemo or radiation treatments. His immune system is so compromised right now, I told him, at the very least, he needs to strengthen his immune system before he breaks it down further with toxic treatments. I think he is on board with this.
The amount of info on cancer tutor is so in depth and thorough that it was impossible for me to absorb it all quick enough for me to feel confident recommending a particular protocol, so in the meantime while I am getting up to speed, we have him juicing and eating 2 servings of habenaro, garlic and organic butter on a slice of Ezekial bread each day. It's the best we could do in the short term with locally available items.
My sister lives in Sedona, AZ and manages the New Frontiers health food store. She is very knowledgeable about immune system building and cleansing of the body and suggested to incorporate
an Essiac tea regimen along with maitake and reishi mushrooms to his diet until John settles on a particular protocol.
She also suggested that we look into the Max Gerson diet and actually knows of at least one person who beat cancer, with this diet being a large part of the success.
Parazapper, I know what you are saying. My brother was diagnosed with stage 3 esophagus cancer and was immediately treated with Taxol and Cisplatin along with radiation and he was dead in 8 months. He suffered terribly at the end until he was so loaded up with morphine that we could no longer communicate with him. It was horrible to watch him go like that.
As always, thanks for all of the help and input and I will keep everyone posted on John's progress as we go forward.
BuddyRo
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... shotsee
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This is a reply to # 2,157,600Hi Buddy,
That is definitely a challenge! You will have to do some research. A good place to start is with Naturopaths and Osteopaths. Other than that, a few phone calls may just get you referred to someone who will do them. In home nurses are one possibility.
The following two websites can be very helpful in your search:
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/pract.shtml
http://www.orthomed.org/isom/isom.html
Best of success, Buddy!
Sincerely,
David
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... shotsee
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... shotsee
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... Wild0ne
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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This is a reply to # 2,156,474Hi Wildone,
I have read quite a bit about it. Unless I am mistaken, isn't it also referred to as laetrile and isn't it's distribution prohibited in the U.S. except for in the form of Apricot kernels.
If you know of a reputable retailer of a product high in B17 that can be obtained legally for a reasonable price, please share it with me.
This was one of the first supplements that I was extremely intrigued with, but the whole Mexico thing kind of killed it for me.
Thanks for your input.
BuddyRo- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... shotsee
10 y
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This is a reply to # 2,157,606Hi Buddy,
For what it might be worth to you, years ago I ordered two or three times from these guys http://www.cancerproducts.com/ and was quite satisfied with the price and service.
Best,
David
- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... shotsee
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... BuddyRo
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- Re: Friend just diagnosed WStage 4 S... parazapper
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