Pinworms going strong for 2+ years. ... 
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Hello. Thank god for this site! Here's my story..
My son got pinworm apx. 2years ago when he started pre-school (Sept 2010). 2 weeks later my 8 mo got it and so did I, despite careful washing. Around that time we also adopted 2 cats from an animal shelter and were spending lots of time outdoors around horses. I was told people can't get cat or horse worm so am inclined to think it's human pinworm.
Since then it was trips to the family dr, and 2 pediatricians all who say our fecal tests were "negative" which I find funny because we are literally itching our butts off! I gave up on drs completely when pregnant with my 3rd child and she told me I had delusions of parasites. Delusion my ass! I even argued while pointing right to a worm in a dirty diaper and she insisted it was "pineapple". Can't win with them. We did take the medicine they perscribed with no effect whatsoever. The worms didn't even blink. :(
symptoms- itching, redness of the anus, white flecks around the anus in the morning. Stringy things in the stools daily. Burning/itching of the vagina, itchy ears, and runny, itchy nose. Stomach aches, fatigue. loose bowels or constipation on various days.
I've been reading all over the internet and got some helpful tips from here so far that have helped us cope. I'm hoping that by writing this someone can advise me on how to find a cure! It's like a nightmare since we've gotten them :/
Here's what I've tried so far:
vermox- 1 pill, another in 2 weeks. didn't work
albenza- (same)
pin x- several doses.. taken e/o week for 1 mo.. No result
garlic capsules- swallowed and another cut and applied in the rectum. Seems to irritate if taken orally and slow them down internally.
grapefruit seed extract- oral capsule. Took 2-3 daily for 1 month. Seemed to irriated them. Made itching worse and they migrated into vagina more.
diotimaceious earth- 1 tbsp. daily (kids take 1/2 tbsp.) Have been on it for 1month and still itchy but not quite as bad maybe.
ivermectin (horse paste) applied topically to the anus. Helps me sleep at night
zinc oxide creme mixed with DE- cream for over night
We wash constantly, trim finger nails and still can't get rid of them! I read threads on taking horse ivermec. and I'm ready to give it a try. Adults should take 75kg? What about a 5yo 45 lbs, a 3yo 38 lbs, and a 28 lb 18mo? I figure on trying it first myself and if it's not too bad, giving a small bit to my kids. I know that ivermec is approved for human use. Just the horse paste you have to be carefull not to measure wrong.
Was the protocol for ivermec. for pinworm treatment or other worms? What is the best schedule for that and do we need other meds. in addition? Should we keep up the DE? any advice is appreciated. thanks!
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This is a reply to # 2,030,632If you use Facebook, you could check out the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement Autism group. They are doing great things with children and parasites, or just the forum at G2Cforum.org for the parasite protocol. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement enema's are really helping people.- Re: Pinworms going strong for 2+ yea... dpk
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I'm sorry, I haven't had any problems with pinworms but the parasites I am dealing with (fluke) do not like an alkaline environment. Also, the Hulda Clark herbs seem like they would be a good idea. If they are localized in the intestine then whatever you take is going to hit them. There is a Hulda Clark group on curezone, people can take a specific Hulda Clark cleanse which is more concentrated than the humaworm product. I saw in an interview on youtube that hulda clark said that all parasites were killed with the (green) Black-Walnut hulls and she was making a new product more powerful than her tincture. I don't know if it ever came out or not. But, the one that can cause problems for some people at higher concentration is the Wormwood or artemisia. The three products that she recommends were green Black-Walnut hulls, cloves and Wormwood . I don't know, as far as safety is concerned for the kids maybe just going a little more in the Black-Walnut hull direction and not taking the Wormwood at first. Then if nothing happened start using it.
I am thinking of suggesting a zapper for you to investigate, but I don't think it will zap what is in the intestines. Maybe someone else here knows.
I would stick wth the diatomaceous earth if it were me. Theoritically it seems like that would be the best thing to take.
I would try the herbs before I started taking some other meds to treat the pinworms though.
I hope this was helpful.
David
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This is a reply to # 2,030,660I will have to check that out. Hulda Clark and GMC's Garlinase or whatever it was called too. It sucks getting hopeful about a cure and trying things that don't work in general (like vermox).
Our biggest thing is cutting grains/sugars. It's nearly impossible and my husband and father in law keep giving kids sweets. Can't get anyhere on that level.
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This is a reply to # 2,030,639thanks for your response. how much sodium chlorite do you take and where to you buy it? or flush with ect?
I don't think they like salt in general. Probably dehydrates them unlike Sugar which feeds them.
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Hello midnight...
really sorry for your problems - i too have this problem and try to figure out how to solve it.GENERAL STUFF
did you tried the schotch tape test? stool test are useless for pinworms. i am 100% with you "Delusion my ass!" same experience with doctors bla,bla, you know it. all my head...God help finally and found an old lab doctor who agreed to do the scotch tape test. after 4-5 years since the infection started... but did not feel so much in this time.
besides what you have read here is what my experience showed me:- reinfestation in the familly is frequent and if one does not follow treatment/hygiene - is the same
- reinfestation from outside house is frequent: food handlers, kids, shops....so you can be as much hygienic as you can indoor
- diet is important: try finding alternative to bread, sugars of any kind, junk...(althoug its tough with kids); try introduce more oregano, horseradich, basil leaf even dried, turmeric
- timing, lenght an dosage is important - you'll see on the NZ site they recommend between 14-20 days, someone on CZ told me first time should last 1 month if you're heavy infected.
- colon cleansing its important - try have daily BM - i dont and I have the worst symptoms.
- liver support during cleanse its important
- probiotics after its important.
here comes the second part:
BETTER APPROACH?
I believe its the approach that bring succes. Here what gave me relief in the past when a practitioner tried to help:(still after returning home living with my parents the infection came back - this is important)
- colonics 1 per week/5 weeks - seems its improtant to clean colon first; some use also enema but it was not the same. good colonics helped
- diet; no sugar at all, less carbs, no diary no grains (i could keep it more than 3 months); veggie a lot, meat, 1-2 small apples perday
- each day mashed garlic with food, coconut oil, vitamin C, clean non diary probiotic (I can stand diary) bifido and acidophilus
- shower each day, now i'm showering 3 times/day and its the same.
I tried also local supps that brought some help; one powder capsule with (i'm putting latin names) Herba Serpylli, Radix Gentianae, Herba Absinthi/Wormwood, Cortex Frangulae, Radix Inulae, Flores Chamomillae, Folium Alli ursinii. First time was ok second time they change formula putting maltodextrine - NOK anymore.
750-1000 mg morning first thing and evening last thing for adults.
Found an interesting one in NZ (I'm Europe based) and Some dietary advice which i think its important togheter with proper colon cleaning.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2030632#i
- you might look to the dosage timing and herbs and find some similar in your country or else...
A good one is alcohol-free extract Black Walnut & Wormwood complex from Natures's Answer (iherb). pay attention is not very pleasant .and for kids its too strong maybe but good results.
you may find other ideas in some of my previous message regarding diet or so...
good luck
dave
MEDS & SUPPLEMENTS
tried vermox -ok for 1 day. albenda - better several days. same experience with garlic make them angry. black walnut - angry. propolis tincture - same. unfortunately i also have leaky gut and they enter the liver and lungs.
tried also wormwood - first time was better second time not so...diotimaceious earth- not yet should try but have AF dehidration. i 'v read somewhere that when you kill the female new larvae will hatch.
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This is a reply to # 2,030,701http://www.malcolmharker.com/product/symptoms/pinworms
this is the NZ herbal site - Re: Pinworms going strong for 2+ yea... midnightzombie
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This is a reply to # 2,030,701thanks for your very helpful response. I will try to figure out the herbs you mentioned :) Some are new to me.
We aren't doing colon cleansing. What do you reccomend to buy?
Haha tape test. Yes but ours were also negative despite little tiny worms visible with the naked eye! The tape looked like it was covered in lint.... negative huh? LMAO
I do think I will add some Grapefruit-Seed-Extract extract into my laundry as well.
I tried scrubbing everyone 2x perday, but that was nuts and didn't help. We bathe 1x daily and change undees/clothes. Jammies washed daily too & towels. Laundry is insane thanks to the pworms.
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yeap,
laundry is insane when having parasite but this is it.
good idea with Grapefruit-Seed-Extract - some said t try also with apple cider vinegar could be ok.
sorry for your labs - been there :( many times. if you are US based there are several which can perform it better.
I did colonics not Colon Cleanse yet - you know hidrocolonotherapy - but its kind of expensive and its used mainly for heavy case (like I was).
I've heard about Qxypowder and stuff like that - i just order a sample of something similar on iherb to see if its good.
my wife tried youghurt with psyllium like 10 days and it really was wonderfull. she expelled many stuff like in pictures from coloncleanse stuff.really it worthed it.
I also tried and got me more constipated. who knows...
I should try DE - see many recommended it. what brand did you used?
dave
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This is a reply to # 2,030,632Fellow mom here going through a very similar situation with pinworms except in my case I'm the only one who has been having apparent ongoing "issues." It is miserable and I want my life back.
We have tried many of the same things you have to get rid of these things. Albendazole, Pin-X, pineapple, Wormwood , constant cleaning/laundering, etc. My doctor prescribed one round of abendazole and it just wasn't enough. Like yours, I felt like she thought I was crazy and if I can treat myself without her help and without mega-does of meds that would be my first choice.
My recent current protocol, which seems to be really helping:
* 3 TBP of DE (1.5 each morning & night) -- recently upped it to this amount
* Vitamins supplements (zinc, MSM, vitamin C)
* Using Maximum strength Desitin and blocking the artifices with TP at all times when I'm not showering or using the facilities
* Using a Yeast Guard suppository (vaginal) and a Wormwood /clove/walnut hull capsule as a suppository (in the anus) before bedtime at night to deter movement and egg laying
I'm hopeful that if I can kill the adult pinworms with the DE and block them from laying eggs, I'll be able to break the cycle one and for all.
I've gradually been upping the dosage of the DE because, from what i've read, 1 TBP probably isn't enough and I think that's why DE didn't work for me before. They recommend 2 TBP ++ of DE for a 100 pound dog and I weigh 30ish pounds more than that. Since taking the DE, i've been seeing dead worms, many, after using the bathroom, so it is definitely doing something. I pray that I'm on the right track.
I hope that both of our families are able to be fully cured and soon ....
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I'm sorry to hear about your troubles as well. They're awful! I have wondered if the DE wasn't at a high enough dose. I will try upping it to 2tbsp and try for 3 daily.
I will update on how the ivermec. goes also.
I have tried noxema and it helps cleanse the area and help with itching but it doesn't kill them.
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This is a reply to # 2,030,839Yes, they are awful indeed. I wouldn't wish them on anybody. =(
I had the same experience with Noxema. It helped with the itching but didm't stop or kill them, unfortunately.
Yeast Guard has been very soothing for the vaginal area and does seem to deter them in that area. I'd consider making capsules with boric acid, if it comes to it as well.
Do keep us updated about the ivermec ... I've considered trying it but haven't yet so I'm very curious about how it works. I figure I'll give my current protocol a solid try before exploring other options. I'm not sure what I'd even try next. Ivermec? Tobacco? Drugs? Something else? I am crossing my fingers that the DE and the other things I'm doing will work.
I've been lurking on this forum for months but never posted before today. I'm very grateful for it, and the suggestions for healing. This isn't exactly a topic for polite conversation in real life and it is good to know that there are others who understand ...
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This is a reply to # 2,030,888curehope-
I know. I've tried to stop talking about it all together with my husband much as possible and he has them too I'm sure. I feel guilty when my kids have playdates or we go to a neighbor's house because I don't want other people to catch them :( But what can we do? Can't stay quaranteened for 2years or more. Have to live.
Living with them has been difficult emotionally. I feel dirty, like scum. I used to be very depressed about it. Now I just try to ignore them. I've come to a level of almost acceptance but I'm still trying things to get rid of them all the while. Just not overly hopeful ;)
Does someone have a link to the pinworm protocol? I'm new to the site and find/loose things frequently. It's taking a bit to figure out.
I will have to investigate yeast guard and add it to my list of "to try" things. There has to be a winning combination. Maybe like some guy did... Chug a bottle of Pin X and dose with Ivermec and albenza.. who knew it could take so much to kill some tiny worms?
Tonight upping DE. Waiting for AF before I take the iver to be safe. TMI I know but hey... anal worms are as TMI as it gets lol If we didn't have any humor we'd be insane by now haha :)Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,030,777Wait, what?? Does plugging with TP help u or work in ANY way? The reason Im asking is bcuz I read this the other day and got so tired of the movement that I tried it this morning. It makes them worse! In fact, I think they now have an easier "out", cuz they are jumpin around down there even as we speak.
Ive also heard that its bad to plug yourself up since they can be forced to migrate to other organs, which is supposedly worse.- Re: Pinworms going strong for 2 plus... #218926
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This is a reply to # 2,032,372Take Oil of Oregano pills, Clove Powder in applesauce continuously after taking the Oregano Pills. Drink a glass of water with Diatomaceous Earth mixed in it daily. Get an enema bottle empty it, dry it out with a tissue, put Diatomaceous Earth in the enema bottle insert in your anus and spray you anus with Diatomaceous powder. You may have to do this several times a day until the matter clears up.
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This is a reply to # 2,030,632I thought I'd say what the worms look like that we have incase someone can help me indentify them for sure... which drs. cannot do.
They are very small, stringy almost mucus-like. Some are clear and some are white-ish and maybe a couple inches long. I've seen some globs of white mucus passed in stools on occasion too.
The stools are just loaded with them! They never move but the entire BM is stringy with white throughout. They stretch to a point but break apart fairly easily when prodded with a toothpick.
In the morning there are eggs around the anus on my kids. They seem to migrate from anus to vagina, into nose even. I'm conviced I have a pinworm-related sinus infection right now because clear strings are coming out of my nose! nasty! :( How do you get them out of there?Advertisement
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- Re: Pinworms going strong for 2+ yea... dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,030,993better put a picture if you can.
there are many who did that on the forum and others with similar give it a try. but symptoms match for pin.
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This is a reply to # 2,030,632I am a retired RN. Here is how to eliminate pinworms.
Buy:
Vaseline petroleum jelly, generic OK
baby wipes
a roll of cheap sandwich baggies
After every toileting cleanse the rectum with toilet paper and baby wipes. Continue until the baby wipe comes back clean.
Place a baggie over your hand. Scoop up vaseline on one finger. Apply the vaseline to the rectum.
Turn the baggie inside out. Throw it away.
DO THIS WITH EVERY TOILETING FOR SIX WEEKS.
Additional measures which are not as essential.
Place panties on a sunny window sill.
Hang sheets in the sun.- Re: Pinworms going strong for 2+ yea... dave505
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This is a reply to # 2,033,663Many thanks rg!
Good suggestions - i have to try them! Sorry english is not my first language - whats a "baggie" i have some gloves made from light plastic. this is the baggie?
I'm showering the butt 3 times a day morning evening...changing underwear each morning...vaccuming floor
the bad news is last days after a very bad crisis I discovered i also have also ascaris. i'm dealing with "a terrible unknown cause ilness" since 3-4 years. i know believe they were the ones - mainly.
until now i have 3-4 rounds of albendazole for pinworms but soon they were back. i did a lot of treatment but they coming back .
just the other day I was noticing that my dad's coughing did not stop at all since 3 months and this is happening constantly. and he's vomiting each morning like for an year or something. he doesnt want to take any treatment, he's alcoholic, eat a LOT of junk food, bread sweets really bad hygiene...i hope to put myself in a better condition to be able to work and get the heck out of this house. since the crisis i've lost my job thats why i'm living here.
any ideas for Ascaris - seems a heavy load type. they are moving through me now. went to GP, infectionist, ER "all in my head". did a light garlic enema and expelled 3 - 1 bigger like 12-15 cm with something small black pieces inside and 2 smaller 10 cm simple white somehow.
any idea might help me?
many thanks
daveAdvertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,033,663rg-
now that baggie idea is pretty good. Much cheaper than gloves. Not bad to wear some protection during wiping kids too/diaper changes. all of us have it!
I've tried bleaching toys, we wash clothes/undees towels. daily. the vaseline I've tried and honestly I think they just swim right through it.
We use plenty of baby wipes. Even wash with noxema afterwards.
I even started adding some liquid Grapefruit-Seed-Extract to my laundry to help kill things. I'm thinking more a color safe bleach would be better.
Honestly I think I can bleach the entire house and they'd remain. Anyone have any advice on ivermectin? - Re: Pinworms going strong for 2 plus... #228362
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This is a reply to # 2,033,663Hi, I know this thread is old, but I was wondering if you might see this and respond. I have been trying vaseline applied to my anus, but I still feel crazy wiggling despite of it. I feel like it almost makes them crazier. I spread it on thick slight in and around my anus. I'm so confused why it's not working for me. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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What you need to do is take herbal Oregano of oil pills. This will kill the large ones, but once they die they release the little ones so you MUST take clove continuously after taking the Oil of Oregano. Put skin applicable eucalyptus oil on your anus area esp at night. You have to control the tiny eggs or babies from moving from your anus at all times or they will crawl over your skin and into your scalp and deplete the nutrients in your hair causing dry brittle hair and stunted hair growth. Rinse scalp and skin with witch hazel or Listerine. Use eucalyptus oil in laundry.
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