What to fix first: metals or infecti... 
petluvr10
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I have infection issues (bacterial, fungal, god-knows-what-else) and metals (on top of a lot of other things).
1. Do I fix the metals first? The infections? Or do I try to re-start/boost my methylation cycles? Or, is there something else I need to consider, like a system-by-system detox (colon, lymph, blood...)???
Here is the theory behind my methylation issues: "The metals became prevalent because gsh (glutathione) was low to begin with - mercury attacks the thiol groups of amino acids - the thiol group is cysteine, methionine and taurine. Cysteine is the big gun in immunity - lower cys means lower immunity - lower immunity means more infections - more infections means more stress on the body - more stress means lower resistance - lower resistance means more metals/toxins - the cycle continues -
*thiol groups and mercury >> http://tuberose.com/Sulphur_and_Mercury.html
*infections and toxins lower gsh - restore the methylation/gsh levels which begins detox - lets get the b12/folic acid levels up then add more methyl donors like choline"
What are your thoughts? Am I not methylating BECAUSE of the toxins/infections (thus trying to stimulate this process with supplements is useless).....or is it vital to try to establish methylation BEFORE chelation in order to better support detox? Will chelating boost my immune system so that my body will eliminate the pathogens easier? Or will trying to methylate better first be the best route?
2. Also, I am taking Cysteine and ever since starting it, I've been feeling HORRIBLE (major anxiety/panic, GI issues). I also started chlorella, which i think is compounding the symptoms. Anyone had these issues before? What is going on?!
Am I sensitive to thiols/sulfurs?
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protocol/
general info (also, see comment on chlorella...perhaps this is why my anxiety is so bad)
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protoco...
The protocol. Interesting info on sulfur/thiol foods and cysteine. Perhaps this is why I have been having more anxiety since starting cysteine????????
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-list/
More on sulfur/thiol foods/compounds.... am I high in plasma cysteine? Is taking cysteine and chlorella increasing my anxiety and symptoms? How can we test this? Would muscle testing show this?
http://livingnetwork.co.za/lifestylefunctional-medicine/hormones/adrenal-fati...
This explains what to do about adrenal/thyroid issues and chelation. Very important to read
I really feel this is a very effective, comprehensive, and SAFE way to chelate. It's used all the time on Autistic kids, so it should be safe for me, too.
I think the cysteine is causing me issues...same with the chlorella. What do I do? My stomach feels like death today (and has been getting progressively worse, as is the emotional issues/anxiety). Am I aggravating the candida?
I feel so lost in all of this...- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,870,630First thing you must learn.
There isn't quick solution to it. IMO, you should continue with Cutler's chelation program but reducing DMSA doses. 25 mg, 50 mg or higher, are very aggressive doses for those who has candida. DMSA cause neutropenia and you must avoid it, you should try 12.5 mg for a while. At the same time, you can take supplements, basic supplements, such as B Complex, Vitamin C, Magnesium, Vitamin E, etc. An smart whole food diet ( candida diet) plus some supplements such as SF-722, Olive Leaf Extract, Coconut Oil, or any other anti-candida supplement. Since your case is complicated, I advice you to work with a holistic MD. You need some guidance about what to treat first. If you have bacterial infections, you may need some specific antibiotic. Keep in mind that nobody in this forum knows how to solve it. We are all trying to resolve our health problems but we aren't cured. If it was the case, we weren't here.
You are doing right and there is not too much more you can do than chelate, attack candida, and take supplements to boost your immune system. Hold a good plan and be quiet with it. Taking a thing today and another tomorrow won't change the things. I have taken all the things you can read in this forum and more, and I am still battling with my health.
Jorge.- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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This is a reply to # 1,870,643I have not started Cutler Protocol...I'm just finding out about it. But, it makes more sense than other protocols (especially the one my chiro recommends).
I cannot find a good holistic MD. I saw a new chiro today... he tells me about his treatment plan tmw. I pray HE is on the right track.
I really want to do Cutler, but I want to do it under supervision--with someone who knows what they are doing.
The only Antibiotics that treat my pathogens are Cipro-family types. I want to avoid those.
What is the priority: metals, infections, general detox...or...? Can these be done simultaneously?
Lastly, what is your opinion on SCD-legal homemade goat yogurt? I read that it is supposed to be extremely healing and help with dysbiosis (and it tolerable for people with dairy issues).
Thanks for the support, Jorge!- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,870,657If I were you, I will do all the things at the same time. Why ?? Because if you take some chelators without an anticandida program, candida will be out control. On the other hand, if you treat candida but you are immune suppressed with heavy metals, candida never will be eradicated. Cutler's program is the best I have found, so I will follow it. Don't worry too much about the anti-candida supplements, any of them is silver bullet !. About Cipro, if there isn't another antibiotic, you will have to take it but do something smart watching for side effects to stop the treatment. Don't take it for more than 10 days.
Jorge.
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... dvjorge
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,870,630I think you can drive yourself mad trying to figure out the etiology. I have tried to do this myself too. Maybe a less stressful approach might be to figure out as much as you can about what is wrong and address each one.
If it were me, I would start with strict diet to reduce fermenation as much as possible (which you have done), then do the methylation panel and address that if neceseary. If the glutahtione is reasonable I would then start chelation and when that is going I would start to test for various viruses and bacteria.
And when you're strong enough, do measures to address that gut - I fast 1 week out of 8 and do a biofilm protocal every other week.
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... #141187
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This is a reply to # 1,870,732I wouldn't recommend fasting, especially when petluvr has such bad gut issues. I would go on a low sulfur diet and use low amounts of DMSA at 3 or 6mg's to begin with. Considering your health issues are pretty servere I would get the recommended supplements that Cutler states are essential to the protocol and start taking them for a week to allow your body time to adjust to the supplements, then try some DMSA at 3 or 6mg's. I noticed that some people are using even lower doses than 3 or 6mg's of DMSA on the FDC boards for issues that are the same as your health issues petluvr. 25mg's may be too high for you. 6.25mg's is often stated as a starting dose to begin with, but I would certainly go lower. It's up to you. C
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,870,749Thanks SO much!
fasting is not a good idea for me....I'm already underweight
What are his recommended supplements and doses?
What would constitute a low-sulfur diet?
Do I stay on the nutritional supplement during the days I take DMSA?
Thank u SO much!- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,870,770Oh no, I didn't mean now. I think I did say when you are feeling better. I am in the same boat as you and I could not fast for a long time - like years but I can now and I *think* it will help clear out overgrowths in the upper gut.
It's something to keep in your back pocket. Things we cannot tolerate now we hopefully can in the future.
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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This is a reply to # 1,870,749What do I do about my infections? Do i work on them simultaneously or after chelation? Do I use natural means...or do I use Antibiotics (cipro is the only one that will work against these...ugh)?
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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This is a reply to # 1,870,732Whats ur biofilm protocol?
Did a doc set u up on this plan?
What diet should I follow? I'm getting too much conflicting advice
Have u tried the SCD or GAPS diet?- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... #141187
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This is a reply to # 1,870,769Here's what you do petluvr.
1.) Here's the low sulphur diet sheet. Remember that there are certain foods on the low sulphur diet the you will have to work around because of candida issues.
http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/food/high-sulfur-sulphur-food-lis...
2.) The key supplements that Cutler recommends are as follows:
B-50 or B-100 tabs
Vit C in abscorbic acid (powder)Start with 1 -4 grams, and see how your bowels react. Vit C should be taken with each meal and one before bed.
Vit E 1,200 I.U. (natural form of Vit E)once daily
Magnesium in absorbable form like citrate, malate, aspartate or amino acid 200mg or upto 750mg in divided doses throughout the day
Zinc 50-100mg
Milk Thistle 750mg with each meal
Fish Oil (make certain that you find a good quality fish oil without any mercury ) Vit A should be included in the fish oil at a high level.
Molybdenum 500mg once daily
Flax Oil 1 tablespoon daily ( take one teaspoon of borage oil for every tablespoon of flax .
4.) Yes, you take your supplements all the way through chelating on and off, very important.
5.) I suggest that you become a member of the Yahoo frequent dose chelating board. Get a Hair Elements Test done through the FDC board . When you join, make certain that you tell the members your health issues in full so we can help you further. The hair test is important though before you start the protocol. Join up and become a member. Good luck!. C
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,870,769I'm a little hesitant to outline my biofilm and diet b/c these have not helped my gut problems. It doesnt matter what I eat, the gas (burping mainly) is still there.
But as I mentioned I know now I have enterovirus and I think that is what is causing my lazy bowels and I think in that condition all foods will cause problems. Of course, the less Sugar i have the less bad I feel but even vegggies create gas.
I do think once the enterovirus is address the other things will start to produce results. But treating enterovirus is an adventure in itself.
I came up with the biofilm protocal myself.- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,871,181In china, they are using oxymatrine by injection for viral myocarditis and it works. Here in the US, Dr Chia uses oral oxymatrine and says it works 50% of the time. So I will be using that and am thinking of other things to try to increase my odds - viruses replicate in oxididized enviroments so addressing that as well. Silymarin is also antiviral but only by injection it appears.
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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This is a reply to # 1,871,512Viruses MULTIPLY in oxidized environments?! Then why do people say that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , h202, ozone, and other oxidizers are great for killing viruses?
Crap...I knew the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement was a bad idea. That damn chiro!
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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This is a reply to # 1,871,123And if the biofilm/diet plan u are on isn't working, why do u continue to follow it?
- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,871,182Diet - prevents me from getting worse
Biofilm - becausw I do have an overgrowth I am quite sure. Sometimes the results don't appear for a while. For example, a friend of mine did bowel cleansing (psyllium), parasite herbs etc for months with no results. Then a 7 day fast and expulsion of some sort of debris from his colon was the turning point.- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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This is a reply to # 1,871,513I wish I could do a fast, but if i skip on snack, i lose a pound. ugh.
have u tried essential oils for biofilms? cinnamon is supposed to be a good one.
lactoferrin is supposed to be great as well- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... joegrane
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... petluvr10
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- Re: What to fix first: metals or inf... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 1,871,123Don't forget the digestive enzymes too, Hg fouls up production--cf around p 32 of AmalgamIllness book.
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