What can you expect from a guy who thinks Epsom Salts are a pharmaceutical compound! lol!
As usual, the "liver flush" supporters attack without bothering to learn the facts. I get all the trade journals for the supplement industry and I see exactly where the manufacturers obtain their raw ingredients. And yes, Epsom salts are manufactured by pharmaceutical manufacturers.
In fact, look at who makes this magnesium sulfate product:
And look, even more:
If the "liver flush" supporters would simply learn how to do research then they would not make so many false claims as they do in virtually every post they do.
lol! People who do the flushes use Epsom Salts fecalman,
More personal attacks I see since you have no real evidence to reply with. And again where is the moderator to deal with the constant TOS violations by the "liver flush" supporters?
which shows you know absolutely nothing about the flushes. Do you know what Epsom salts are?
Yes, do you? Apparently not so let me explain it to you. Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate, which is acidic in solution.
lol! Which by the way is neutral in solution not acidic.
As usual you are wrong:
The pH of an aqueous magnesium sulfate solution is related to the molarity of the MgSO4. Typically, the pH is between 5.5 and 6.5 due to magnesium's affinity for hydroxide ion (OH-). As the sulfate goes into solution, hydroxide anions associate with the magnesium, increasing the relative ratio of H+ to OH-. This shift results in more acidic solutions."
Wow wikipedia! I prefer a source that has a scientific foundation under it.This reliable source not only proves your childish claim that Epsom Salts are a pharmaceutical is stupendously ignorant and that the common sense fact that combining a base(magnesium) with an acid (sulfate) neutralizes their combined effect.
As usual and consistent from your posting history you are 100% wrong again.
You should learn to do some real research before posting to avoid being consistently wrong!!!!!
LOL!!! Interestingly you have no concept of disassociation. And this means you are also very likely not familiar with the concept of exchange reactions, which is actually what is more at play with Epsom salt ingestion. Not surprising at all. But since you claim that the pH is neutral then how do you explain other sources showing a slightly acidic pH? For example here:
Magnesium sulfate (n=7, e=2.8 mg/L) is a slightly acidic drying agent.
Then there are the MSDS for magnesium sulfate that show a pH from neutral to slightly acidic:
Some MSDS show a pH of 6, which guess what? Yep, 6 is acidic.
But again the pH in water is not really what is of concern. It is what it does in the body. For example, sodium chloride, that can also be considered neutral, can form both an acid and a base in the body. So the fact that the "liver flush" supporters are only focusing on the neutral to acidic pH of magnesium sulfate in water just goes to show either how misleading they really are or how they really don't understand how things really work in the human body. More likely a combination of both.
I can play the same game. I can prove that all of the "liver flush" supporters are pro-pharma. They use magnesium sulfate, which is a synthetic compound produced by pharmaceutical companies. Therefore the "liver flush" supporters are supporting the pharmaceutical companies and thus are 100% pro-pharma!!!
There are many dietary & nutritional supplements that are "USP" or "pharmaceutical grade"...it's a standard of purity - NOT a relationship with "Big Pharma". Using a substance that is USP/pure doesn't mean anyone is "100% pro pharma". And for what it's worth, not everyone uses Epsom Salts (magnesium sulfate) when liver flushing.
Edit - here's a good explanation of pharmaceutical grade/USP:
>>>What is pharmaceutical grade (USP)?
The US Pharmacopeia (USP) publishes official monographs for certain substances. These monographs include specific assay methods and product specifications to assure identity and potency. Material that is tested by these methods to meet those specifications is then eligible to be called pharmaceutical grade, or USP. The key concept is "standards and verification" http://www.usp.org/aboutUSP/
Many natural ingredients do not have published USP monographs, so cannot be called USP grade (as there are no USP specifications or standards to test against). Also, the testing is often a bit imprecise, so a test result for purity may be acceptable within a narrow range (from 98% - 101% of label potency, for example) and still be considered good. Another standard monograph is that found in the Food Chemicals Codex, desribing FCC food grade materials. A product with an FCC monograph can be tested to meet the food grade specifications that are typically less rigorous than those in a pharmaceutical monograph, but do provide standards for purity and identity. http://www.usp.org/fcc/
Some substances have both USP and FCC monographs and can claim both grades. For example, the amino acid l-arginine has monographs in both compendia, as do some other aminos.<<<
There are many dietary & nutritional supplements that are "USP" or "pharmaceutical grade"...it's a standard of purity - NOT a relationship with "Big Pharma". Using a substance that is USP/pure doesn't mean anyone is "100% pro pharma".
Yes, it is a level of purity. A level of purity that allows it to be used as an injectable pharmaceutical.
But once again the simple concept went right over the "liver flush" supporters heads. If you go back and carefully read the post that started this I was showing how easy it is to stretch things to make any point you want. One of the "liver flush" supporters tried to claim that the link I posted was pro-pharma. My point was that the link was no more pro-pharma than the magnesium sulfate used by "liver flush" supporters that is manufactured by pharmaceutical chemical manufacturers. But their desire to attack overwhelmed their common sense and so they had to continue with the personal attacks and debate ignoring what the original post was really about.
>- simply learn how to do research then they would not make so many false claims
This appears to specifically include you. Not all Epsom Salt is synthetic and the original source is natural.
Epsom salt is a naturally occurring substance and is a gift from God.
That is like the claim that MSM is natural. Yes, it occurs in nature, but like commercial Epsom salts, commercial Epsom salts are also synthetic. And I have yet to hear of any "liver flusher" going out to collect their own natural Epsom salts. So the "liver flush" supporters are trying to be deceptive once again.
I am not against the products unless they are injurious.
You mean like "liver flushing", which can lodge a real stone in a duct leading to pancreatitis and requiring emergency surgery?
Additionally, Epsom Salt is NATURTAL ! It occurs in springs located in various place around the world, the most famous being Epsom, England. Hence its name.
LOL!!! Already addressed this, but I guess I will address it again. How many "liver flush" supporters go out and collect natural Epsom salts? Or do they go to the store and buy the synthetic salt? As I said in my other post there are also those who mislead people by claiming the MSM sold commercially is natural. But commercial MSM is not natural, it is a synthetic manufactured from an industrial solvent. So unless the "liver flush" supporters are going with a pick and shovel to collect their own natural Epsom salts the "liver flush" supporters are once again deliberately trying to mislead people.
I see why they have coined you fecal soap man. You have the most bizarre and backwards approach of viewing the world I have ever seen. Claiming that Epsom Salts is a pharmaceutical is like claiming sardines and crackers are pharmaceuticals also.
Better yet, why don't you learn to read!!! Do you even know what this thread is really about? As I said I could play the same stretch the truth games as the "liver flush" supporters. As I pointed out magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts) are made by pharmaceutical chemical manufacturers. Using the same bizarre reasoning that the "liver flush" supporters used to claim I was pro-pharma for posting someone's article showing "liver flushing" is a fraud I could claim that the "liver flush" supporters are pro-pharma for using Epsom salts made by pharmaceutical chemical manufacturers. So maybe next time you will take the time to actually find out what you are posting about before jumping to conclusions just because you are so eager to attack someone!!!
Typical "liver flush" supporter. Uses any excuse to attack anyone questioning the validity of "liver flushing" even if they don't have a clue what the thread is really about and even when they don't have a clue what they are talking about themselves!!!
>- magnesium sulphate ( Epsom Salts ) are made by pharmaceutical chemical manufacturers
Only some of the cheap stuff on the store shelves is synthetic and much of it is a byproduct of the production of salt from sea water. The synthetic method treats calcium carbonate or hydroxide with sulphuric acid. This synthetic method is more expensive.
Must be really super expensive since it would be pretty hard to transmute that calcium atom in to a magnesium atom so you could even create magnesium sulfate!
Either way, the pharmaceutical companies usually buy it rather than make it. Take it from an old lime chemist who knows.
Knows what?!!! First of all magnesium sulfate is not produced from calcium carbonate or hydroxide. Secondly, if you really are a chemist then you would have known that most of the magnesium that is present in seawater is in the form of magnesium chloride, not magnesium sulfate.
So how is magnesium separated from seawater? Well here, let me show you:
"The Mg2+ cation is the second most abundant cation in seawater (occurring at about 12% of the mass of sodium there), which makes seawater and sea-salt an attractive commercial source of Mg. To extract the magnesium, calcium hydroxide is added to seawater to form magnesium hydroxide precipitate.
So now they are left with Magnesium chloride, not magnesium sulfate, which is otherwise known as "Epsom salts". So how do you suppose they convert that magnesium hydroxide in to magnesium sulfate? Hmmm...... Supposedly being a chemist you should know that they can react sulfuric acid on the magnesium oxide to form magnesium sulfate.
Mg(OH)2 + H2SO4 ---> MgSO4 + 2H2O
So how is that less expensive.
Of course they can also use electrolysis to separate the pure magnesium metal first, then treat this chemically to produce magnesium sulfate. But electrolysis is energy intensive and not very efficient. So the cost would be prohibitive even before the chemical treatment.
So is magnesium sulfate really extracted directly from seawater as you supposedly claim? Well let's see:
"Magnesium oxide, as mined or extracted from seawater, acts as the starting point for commercial production of magnesium sulfate."
As a supposed "chemist" you should be aware of the fact that the mixing of magnesium oxide in water forms magnesium hydroxide. And as I showed above magnesium hydroxide is converted in to magnesium sulfate by the action of sulfuric acid on the hydroxide!!!
The funniest part of your whole post is how the "liver flush" supporters automatically robo-clicked the "agree" button even though your whole post was filled with errors. Of course they have done this on numerous other posts where other "liver flush" supporters were clearly wrong, but they clicked on "agree' regardless either because they either did not know what the real facts were or they simply did not care. This is why the "liver flush" supporters have no credibility!!!