Researching something else, I came across many articles stating that the body being acidic is the cause for many problems, as the acids are stored in the body.
This is a myth. True acidosis is very rare:
The myth has especially been expanded on and pushed by sellers of alkalinizing products such as Kangen water:
I am working on a book on alternative cancer therapies right now. Among other things i am covering are the fact that cancer cells actually rely on alkalinity to survive and proliferate. Check the medical journals, this is also well known.
I took a PH test today and found it to be 5.75, which is quite acidic due to high intake or animal protein.
Both testing of urinary or salivary pH as an indicator or blood pH is also a myth that I addressed in this old post:
As pointed out diet has very little actual effect on pH. What is interesting though is that the metabolism of olive oil actually leads to the production of carbonic acid. So if people want to claim that the "liver flushes" promote alkalinity I would love to see some evidence of this or at least a reasonable explanation of how.
Hvergerthi is an obsessive foe of both the liver flushes and acid alkaline theory, his advice will only slow down your healing process.
Another objectionable post targeting an individual. So is this poster going to be banned for posting objectionable material? Or is that threat only applied to anyone questioning the validity of "liver flushing" on a debate board?
Haven't you noticed FS man, you don't get censored for speaking the truth.
Thanks for once again proving my point. Using initials to insult me is still an attack and thus a violation of TOS. Yet the moderator keeps turning a blind eye to these TOS violations as long as they are conducted by "liver flush" supporters. More proof of the overwhelming Curezone politics that consume Curezone. As I said it is not what you know but rather who you know. And every time you and the other LF trolls get away with this it just further validates my claim.
If the LF supporters had even one shred of real proof of their claims they would be all over these boards posting it. Of course this has not been the case because they have no real evidence to present. So they rely on a wolf pack mentality ganging up on anyone challenging "liver flushing". Since they cannot challenge the person by presenting real evidence the only way they can censor the person is by trying to either run the person off the board or by trying their best to get the person banned.
What is funny though is that they fail to realize that the more they argue the more evidence that gets presented that "liver flushing" is bogus". And all this is picked up by the search engines for people to easily find and see all the evidence against "liver flushing" and the complete lack of evidence for "liver flushing". So the "liver flush" supporters have actually been the best promoters proving "liver flushing" is bogus. So I am not the big threat to "liver flushing" as they believe. The "liver flushers" are their own worst enemy!!! And each time they attack me instead of providing evidence the more they validate my point.
Fecal soap man is not an insult or a violation of TOS.
Yes it is. Just like I can think of a number of wonderful nicknames for you that I could post. If I did though then I am sure that the LF supporters would be all over me crying foul claiming I was insulting you.
The fecal soap theory is your theory, no matter how ridiculous it sounds,
ROTFLMAO!!! It is so hilarious that the LF supporters keep verifying that fecal soaps are real then try to discredit it in the same sentence. Clearly you do not have a clue what a theory is. A theory in short is a claim backed by EVIDENCE!!!
no matter how many times it's been proved invalid you stand behind it 100%.
It has yet to be invalidated even once. On the other hand I have posted multiple abstracts from medical journals proving the formation and existence of fecal soaps. So how is this invalidated? Just because the LF supporters keep refusing to look at any real evidence presented to them that prove their claims wrong they consider this invalidation? Apparently they know as little about the definition of invalidation as they do the definition of theory!!!
You should be honored for bringing this theory to the fore front and given full credit for its invention.
Sorry, but I cannot take credit for something that has been reported in so many science and medical journals for so long for anyone wishing to look up the truth to find. By the way what is normally produced by the body is not an "invention" either. Just like red blood cells are not an invention. Should I add the word "invention" to the list of words you need to learn the definitions of?
What other man would be willing to sacrifice his integrity for such a worthy endeavor.
Who is sacrificing his integrity? Oh, you must mean the LF supporters who keep ignoring all the evidence presented to them and resort to making up lies about people and calling them names just because they provided solid evidence to counter the claims of the LF supporters.
Be proud of your fecal balls or cubes or spheroids or what ever you men of fecal soap Science call these little fecal entrenched soap balls. For one day you may be honored and be rewarded with a plaque for your dedication to the science of fecal matter.
Yep, more proof of my last statement. No wonder you feel you have to hide behind a number when you post. If I were you posting such ridiculous crap I would be afraid to have people know who I was as well.
Hveragerthi , Thank you for your response...
Just trying to understand, If food does not impact my PH, why is my PH below 7.4. I have taken over 20 readings over a few days with the same result...
Is there anything else I should be looking out for....
Your pH of what. There are different things that affect the pH of urine as opposed to the pH of saliva. Again the only way to determine blood pH is with a blood test. But even that only shows the pH for that minute as blood pH can rapidly change.
As pointed out diet has very little actual effect on pH.
How does a rational person respond to such a preposterous notion?
Not preposterous at all but rather an extremely well known fact. I recommend Vik do his own homework on his own off of Curezone to see what I am talking about. The primary means of pH regulation by the is through respiration. Other means include bicarbonate, dumping of hydrogen ions through the kidneys and as a last resort buffering by bone minerals. Acidosis and alkalosis can be induced through diet, but these require extreme amounts of acids or alkalis to exceed the buffering systems of the body. Again, well known facts that can be easily looked up.
As for the rest of LisaMarie's post I will not bother to respond since it is nothing more than another objectionable attack as she routinely does with impunity. More proof that only the people who question the validity of "liver flushing" are targeted for being banned from this debate forum.
There is a difference in levels of acidosis. Yes, the body will try to maintain a reasonable level of alkalinity but when the body has to work beyond its normal effort to stay alkaline, it is sufficiently acid that damage starts to occur.
The truth is that each cell in the body has an optimum pH. At any poiint that the body starts to drop below 7.35, there is a price that is paid. One price is the slowing down of the immune system. This allows the build up of numerous minor problems that can slowly erode your health over time.
It is wise to ignore the stodgy experts that tell us that only someone who has extreme acidosis needs to worry. If your early morning urine is acidic, it means that your kidney are having to pump out the acidity almost 24 hours a day continuously. There will be a toll to pay.
Instead of dealing with this debate over acidosis and alkalosis I suggest you look up the real facts for yourself. You can easily find that the body has a very narrow pH range it can survive in. If this level goes too alkaline or too acidic the person will die.
Also look in to the role of alkalinity in the progression of various pathogens such as fungal Candida and H. pylori as well as the survival and progression of cancer cells. The "liver flush" supporters are merely spouting more of the same misinformation they read on some sales site somewhere falsely claiming that acidity in the cause of all disease. Check reliable sources for the truth, which shows just the opposite.
While you are at it research the dangers of alkalosis.
>- the body has a very narrow pH range it can survive in. If this level goes too alkaline or too acidic the person will die.
You must be quoting me as I have said this several times. However, if a person will die at a certain pH, then aren't they almost dead at a point that is close to it? I will tell you right now that this is true.
But the body RARELY goes acidic or alkaline. When we see this it is usually due to poisoning, uncontrolled diabetes or the over use of alkalinizers.
>- Check reliable sources for the truth, which shows just the opposite
Yes, I have a lot of books in my library, but do not need to look up most biochemical and physiological facts as I am quite familiar.
So do I and so am I.
And as I said the information being spouted by so many is wrong. Acidity does not cause disease. Most pathogens and cancer cells thrive by alkalinity, not acidity. Crack some of those books open and you will see what I mean. In fact, I will give you an example. The bacteria Helicobacter pylori secretes alkaline ammonia to neutralize the stomach acid to protect itself since the acid would otherwise kill it. The programmed cell death by cancer cells is inhibited by alkalinity, and the alkalinity of cancer cells promotes their growth factors. And I have posted several times on how alkalinity actually turns on the Candida growth gene and converts Candida from a benign yeast form in to a highly aggressive and pathogenic fungal form. If the urine is made too alkaline it can not only lead to infections but also kidney stones. If the vaginal cavity or the skin are alkalinized damage and infection can occur.
>- claiming that acidity in the cause of all disease.
The is not one single cause of disease and anyone who thinks so is in error.
Yes, an error that is frequently repeated, especially on health boards. For example, I have heard over and over how acidity causes cancer, which is a complete myth. In fact cancer cells actually rely on alkalinity to survive and proliferate. But look up all the sales sites out there selling alkalinizers and they will say just the opposite.
>- While you are at it research the dangers of alkalosis.
No need, I have been well aware since the 1960's. Either extreme can be deadly, but even getting somewhere near thoses extremes can cause serious permanent damage if not quickly fixed.
Yes, but again true alkalosis or acidosis is extremely rare since the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its pH.
Even being a bit high or low in pH is not good. Again, study physiological optimization. If your body is constantly having to pump out acidity or alkalinity, something is wrong and it needs to be fixed.
The body does this from the time of birth. Again the body has redundant means to maintain pH, the primary being respiration. So again our bodies work since the time of birth to maintain pH by increasing or decreasing acidity or alkalinity. Therefore, I have to disagree with your last sentence. Maintaining pH by dealing with acids or bases is nothing wrong, it is normal part of everyday metabolism.
Truth --- Ignorance shortens life span.
Which is why I am on Curezone trying to explain to people the facts behind human anatomy and physiology since many of the people here are CZ are completely ignorant on the subject.
>- But the body RARELY goes acidic or alkaline.
The few hundred here that are concerned may just be that rare exception. I was.
Always possible. I don't know enough of your history to say one way or the other.
>- the information being spouted by so many is wrong.
Yeah, CisPlat is great stuff!
If you say so. Not my cup of tea.
>- Acidity does not cause disease
It is a symptom of the disease.
In the case of cancer yes. But that is not what a lot of the alkalinizing sites are claiming. They are claiming it is the cause, which is not true.
>- alkalinity actually turns on the Candida growth gene and converts Candida from a benign yeast form in to a highly aggressive and pathogenic fungal form
So, why did my Candida problem decrease as I became more alkaline?
How do you know you were more alkaline? Did you monitor your pH with blood tests since that is the only way to determine actual blood pH?
I struggled with it for years. Got rid of a lot but it kept wanting to come back. After alkalizing, I was able to control candida and it is not a problem any longer. Also got rid of other fungal problems. My early morning urine pH was around 5.6 which is a definite indication of systemic problems.
No, it is not. Simple dehydration can lower urinary pH as can numerous other non-health issues.
Many of my problems went away once I got it up to around 6.8 to 7.0.
Again, urinary pH is not an accurate indicator of either blood pH or health.
As for how whatever you did helped your Candida it could be something as simple as more plant fiber in your diet for your flora to ferment generating more anti-Candida ACIDS. Again, a very well known concept of how things work in the body that can be found in textbooks or from medical sites on the internet.
>- In fact cancer cells actually rely on alkalinity to survive and proliferate
Misleading at best. I took a lab course in immunology and serology and as a part of the course, we had to culture cancer cell lines. One big requirement of the task --- Keep the pH below 7.36 ??? Why was that when a normal serum pH is 7.38 to 7.42 ? The higher alkalinity reduced the growth of tumor cell lines.
Not misleading at all. Just another well known fact that can be easily found by searching the medical journals.
By the way I have two points for you to consider. 1. What happens in cell cultures does not necessarily mean the same will happen in the body. Immunology and Serology 101. 2. As you say below "go pick up an old outdated textbook and you will find that much of what was presented as fact is now known to be wrong". Yes, we have learned a lot about the human body in the last 50, 40, 30, 20, even 10 years. For example, the fact that alkalinity prevents cancer cell apoptosis and increases cancer cell proliferation in the body, and there is an acidic shift associated with apoptosis. So classes can be outdated just like textbooks, which is why we have to keep up on current studies.
>- extremely rare since the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its pH
Yes, like erroding the bones.
Demineralization of bones is a last resort by the body to address acidosis.
I am certai that no one here suffers from or will ever suffer from osteoporosis! Calcium is used to maintain alkalinity and if it is not present in sufficient amounts, it will be removed from the bone, causing a reduction in bone density.
Again, you need to get out of your old outdated ideas. First of all calcium is hardly the only mineral involved in bone density and it is far from the most important. Secondly, osteoporosis IS NOT a result of mineral loss. Those are osteopenia and osteomalacia. Osteoporosis results from a loss of collagen matrix, not a loss of calcium. I am almost done with my book on osteoporosis, osteomalacia and osteoarthritis. You may want to add it to your library when I am done. I have a complete chapter on the chemistry of bone and another on the anatomy and physiology that explains all of this in detail.
The lower the blood pH, the fasted bone is dissolved. The left over phosphate is excreted by the kidneys making the urine more acid.
Again, bone minerals are only used as a LAST RESORT by the body to buffer acids. A person would have to be in very serious acidosis for this to occur, which again is very rare.
Since you brought up phosphorus though you may want to look in to the role of phosphorus in hyperparathyroidism and pseudohyperparathyroidism, since this will explain a lot about bone demineralization to you.
By the way, how do you explain the increased acidity of the urine by phosphate when the alkaline calcium is also excreted through the urine.
>- Maintaining pH by dealing with acids or bases is nothing wrong, it is normal part of everyday metabolism.
No, the problem is when it fails. What you fail to accept, is that some of the sickest, most desparate people in the world are here seeking help for their problems because the real quack doctors want to tell them that they have mental problems and prescribe prozac or zoloft or some placebo.
And again, failures of the buffering system are EXTREMELY rare, which is why we rarely see true cases of acidosis and alkalosis.
Since you have never had this problem, you do not know the whole story and you are misleading them by telling them your mainstream propoganda.
It is not propaganda, it is facts. Being that you have a medical background I am surprised that you have not bothered to verify the information being presented rather than just dismissing it because it does not fit your narrow outdated views. You don't even need to go dust off your textbooks. There are easy ways to look up the current information such as Medline.
People can easily upset their acid-alkaline balance by smoking ( excess CO2 ),
And how many breaths do you think it takes to exhale the amount of CO2 you would get from a cigarette? Come on, get real.
consuming excess amounts of phosphoric acid ( Coke, pepsi, and other sodas ),
Not all sodas contain phosphoric acid., that is another common myth. Phosphoric acid is found in colas.
excess sugars that are known to be converted to acids, especially when the body is not functioning properly.
Proteins form in to uric acid and can contain uric acid and lactate. In addition protein sources such as beef and dairy are high in acidic phosphorus. Then there is the fact that the body can convert a number of things in to sugar including protein and fats, or lactate through the Cori cycle. So your point? How do you plan to avoid sugars in your diet or preventing your body from generating sugars?
And apparently you do not realize that there are differences in acids. Yep, not all acids are the same! In fact we not only need acids to survive but also to exist. Think about all the acids we require. Amino acids, fatty acids, lactic, acetic, pyruvic, citric, malic, glucuronic, hydrochloric, hyaluronic, etc., etc., etc.
Then there are the number of acids that help to heal the body, fight cancer, heal the body, etc. Betulinic, chlorogenic, tannic, ascorbic, usinic, etc., etc., etc. People have become way too "acid phobic" with all the acid is evil propaganda sites.
Once again, for every single hormone, enzyme, mineral, or any other compound in the body, there is an optimum temperature, and an optimum pH among other factors. The immune system exponentially degrades in performance below a pH of 7.38 . NK cells that are responsible for stopping cancer function poorly at a pH of 7.35 to 7.36 and function far better at 7.39 to 7.42.
Which again is why the body regulates its pH so tightly through a number of mechanisms. And since defects in this process are so rare we RARELY see true acidosis or alkalosis. Again the propaganda sites claiming the opposite have no clue what they are talking about.
There are perfect natural cases for pH vs cancer as well as other illness.
There are areas with highly alkaline water containing combinations of calcium, magnesium, cesium, and/or rubidium. In these areas, cancer is super rare, almost non-existant.
Another common myth commonly spread by the alkaline propaganda sites. If that were the case then we should not have any cancer where I live considering how hard our water is and how super alkaline our soils are.
One thing that I know is that I concocted an alkaline mineral water and drank it. This raised my early morning urine pH and soon after, many of my health issues became unapparent.
Maybe you were dehydrated. In addition, as I have pointed out so many times feeling better does not mean that one is better. A person can take alkaline water for GERD and it will do the same thing as a Tums. It will make one feel better, but it will make the underlying condition worse and aggravate the problem in the long run.
>- many of the people here are CZ are completely ignorant on the subject.
Go pick up an old outdated textbook and you will find that much of what was presented as fact is now known to be wrong. There is still a lot wrong in todays text books.
And again, that is why we have to keep up on the current research, which I do. We cannot simply rely on old textbooks or college classes that were taken who knows when.
I will offer one piece to support this. From the day I was born until I was over 50 years old, I spent 18 years in school and most of the rest of the time learing from books. Not once in those fifty years was it ever mentioned that electricity might kill bacteria, protozoa, fungi, etc. Now I know that it can be done in some cases with as little as 1.5 volts from a AAA battery. At the same time, there had been machines in the 1800's that could do this and possibly as far back as ancient Egypt and Baghdad.
Not everything is in the text books and some of what is there is definitely wrong.
LOL!!! Do you know when the original electrotherapy started? It dates back to ancient Greek and Roman days where they would use the high voltage shocks of electric eels to cure disease. I learned that from a book over 25 years ago. Information is out there if one looks.