Your whole premise regarding the "lodging of stones" is proof enough that your claims contradict the facts. The Liver flushes have an affect on the Liver. So saying they are bogus or don't work is a misnomer and a false claim. Your own evidence and talking point is counter to your own stated facts.
I already addressed your false claim here:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1848900#i
But keep up the good work of showing people why it is so dangerous to get advice from internet forums full of people who don't even understand basic anatomy and physiology.
"I am not the one that made the original claim. So it is up to that poster to prove that the liver and gallbladder do make audible gurgling noises. Since you wish to jump in defense to the OP's bogus claim then explain to everyone here how a solid organ like the liver can make gurgling noises."
Doesn't the liver have valves. I rest my case. You can't seem to prove it either yet you make a contentious statement regarding the same phenomenon. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning...smells like victory.
ROTFLMAO!!! Gee, our veins have valves as well, so they also make audible gurgling noises?!!! Learn some REAL anatomy and physiology!!!
Apparently what you are smelling is not victory, but rather what you have stepped waist deep in to!!!
"Gee, our veins have valves as well, so they also make audible gurgling noises?!!! Learn some REAL anatomy and physiology!!!"
Nice try. Have some humility, the heart beat is heard through the veins and I am sure the veins do make a sound when pressure is released. Not only that but the Liver ducts are typically larger than the veins and there is more of an exchange of fluid than through the veins. Once again your argument proves nothing. Getting emotional and exclamatory about valves making noise is a poor argument.
Talk about nice try. The veins may make some noise if you have a really super sensitive stethoscope to hear it. But this does not make it generally audible, which is what was implied by the poster. Shoot, anyone could stretch a claim like that to make their point. You could have said that the blood moving through the valves of an earthworm's 10 hearts makes a sound. But again this would take some very sensitive equipment to pick up. You are not going to hear this sound based on your own hearing. So the implication that valves means that fluid moving through will make audible noise was simply ridiculous. So let's see some real evidence that the liver can make an audible gurgling noise, or was that simply another of the many made up claims by the "liver flush" supporters?
"Here is more evidence proving these "flushes" are bogus"
Actually none of your links are proof of anything. They are justyou pontificating your unproven theories.
So describing what REAL gallstones look like and their other properties is not proof to you. And pointing out that REAL gallstones the size of marbles and larger cannot physically get through the bile ducts is not proof to you. And the experiments by Spud, the dye tests and the lab analyses all PROVING that they are not real gallstones is not proof to you. Ok, what is your proof that they are real gallstones? And if you really believe in what you are claiming then you should not be so embarrassed that you need to hide behind a number. So provide your "proof" and let's see who is really behind the claims if you really believe in what you are claiming. Otherwise you just continue to prove I am correct.
So you have zero proof that these flushes don't work,
LOL!!! Zero proof? You have been spoon fed more than enough evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that these so-called "liver flushes" are bogus. You have provided zero evidence that they work. Simply claiming they work just because you say so is not proof of anything. Show us some proof, such as a real lab analysis, that what you passed were real gallstones.
you just don't like them for some unexplained reason. Tell me do you sell a product that competes with the flushes,what is your real motivation?
Once again the "liver flush" supporters simply keep asking the same questions over and over instead of providing evidence to their claims in an attempt to wear their opponents down since they have no real evidence to present in a debate. Your questions have been answered:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1848927#i
Now how about you providing some real evidence that what you passed were real gallstones instead of playing games?
Now how about you providing some real evidence that what you passed were real Gallstones instead of playing games?
Well if you insist on playing childish games stop by some time. I haven't done a flush in quit some time and I would be honored to allow you to examine my fecal matter.
I can care less about your fecal matter. What I would like to see is proof that those big green squishy balls are rally gallstones or liver stones. One poster even claimed to have already analyzed them yet refuses to answer any questions about this analysis that apparently never happened. So it is clear that the "liver flush" supporters are wiling to just make up stories to back their beliefs and convince others of their fallacies.
Fact is these flushes prove themselves daily and so has the facts presented to you by others that you conveniently choose to ignore.
What facts. All I have seen so far as "evidence" are made up claims of liver and gallbladder stones being passed and analyses being done that apparently never were. On the other hand people that actually did send these "stones" to labs for analysis found out that they were actually saponified olive oil as I have been stating all along.
So again I might ask, are you saying you don't promote any products that compete with these flushes?
Do I promote any products that compete with something that clearly does not work. Well I guess in that way I would have to say yes since I promote products that actually do work.
Lets face it all the evidence you have "Spoonfed"
has been spurious and though you have attempted to answer the questions generally they have been filled with distortions and contradictions.
Your supposed contradiction was only from your twisting what I said in order to fit your needs. That is why I asked you to provide the post where I supposedly said what you claim I said. Of course you never did because you outright lied about what I said.
But talking about contradictions you claimed earlier that I had not posted any evidence several times, now you are making reference to the evidence I had posted. So once again you have been busted lying.
Of course you are also lying about that evidence being filled with distortions as well. The evidence is slid, which is why you have yet to come back with even one shred of evidence to counter any of the evidence I have posted. Then you claimed to have done an analysis of the "stones" but refuse to give any details of the analysis since it clearly was not done. So I am seeing a clear pattern in your posts of making up lies to fit your needs.
"So describing what REAL Gallstones look like and their other properties is not proof to you."
Characteristics and composition
Gallbladder opened to show numerous gallstones. The large, yellowish calculus is probably composed largely of cholesterol, while the greenish to brownish color of the other stones suggests these are composed of bile pigments such as biliverdin and stercobilin.
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Images of a CT of gallstones
Gallstones can vary in size from as small as a grain of sand to as large as a golf ball. [1] The gallbladder may contain a single large stone or many smaller ones. Pseudoliths, sometime referred to as sludge, are thick secretions that may be present within the gallbladder, either alone or in conjunction with fully formed gallstones. The clinical presentation is similar to that of cholelithiasis.[citation needed] The composition of gallstones is affected by age, diet and ethnicity.[2] On the basis of their composition, gallstones can be divided into the following types:
Cholesterol stones
Cholesterol stones vary in color from light-yellow to dark-green or brown and are oval 2 to 3 cm in length, often having a tiny dark central spot. To be classified as such, they must be at least 80% cholesterol by weight (or 70%, according to the Japanese classification system).[3]
Pigment stones
Pigment stones are small, dark stones made of bilirubin and calcium salts that are found in bile. They contain less than 20% of cholesterol (or 30%, according to the Japanese classification system).[3]
Mixed stones
Mixed gallstones typically contain 20–80% cholesterol (or 30–70%, according to the Japanese classification system).[3] Other common constituents are calcium carbonate, palmitate phosphate, bilirubin, and other bile pigments. Because of their calcium content, they are often radiographically visible.
And so far you have failed to prove that any of the blobs that have been passed are real gallstones or liver stones. You even claimed to have analyzed the stones but keep refusing to answer questions on the analysis despite multiple requests. Could this be because you never really had them analyzed? And why is it that the pics of what people passed by these flushes posted by LisaMarie DO NOT fit the descriptions you posted? In short you just posted proof that they were not real gallstones.
"And the experiments by Spud, the dye tests and the lab analyses all PROVING that they are not real gallstones is not proof to you. "
The dye tests are misleading and are not proof because the cholesterol stones are porous.
First of all I never said that she did a dye test.
Secondly you are COMPLETELY wrong about the cholesterol stones being porous. They are actually quite solid, which is why they are so easy to image on X-rays. in addition, as I pointed out the dye never reaches the liver or gallbladder. So you are simply grasping at straws since the evidence has already PROVEN you wrong.