Soapstone (also known as steatite or soaprock) is a metamorphic rock, a talc-schist.
We are discussing soap stones not "soapstone". I suppose you also think a hot dog is a dog left out in the car in the middle of summer.
No wonder the "liver flush" supporters cannot win even a simple debate.
Your soap stone term is something that Liver Flush deniers invented to explain phenomena they obviously don't fully understand and are unwilling to admit as such.
What is funny is how the "liver flush" supporters keep projecting their shortcoming on to others. If they are being hypocritical they blame the other person for being hypocritical. If they cannot provide any proof to their claims they claim the other person has not presented any evidence even if tons of evidence has been presented..........
Here we have another example. The "liver flush" supporters clearly have no concept of what "liver flushing" really is or how it is even supposed to work. So once again they project their shortcoming on to the people who do understand the difference between a gallbladder and a liver, how large amounts of oil do affect the gallbladder, how fecal soaps are formed, how sterol-cholesterol complexes are formed, how gallstones really form, what they really look like and their other properties, etc..........
As for the "liver flush" supporters cannot win even a simple debate."
The Liver flush Supporters already won by the first successful liver flush, where a persons constitution was altered to one of proper bowel movement following a Liver flush. Mission accomplished.
First of all doing a flush is not a debate. So you just lost again by lack of evidence.
Secondly, in order for a "liver flush" to be successful you would have to have cleared the gallbladder of gallstones. Or if you prefer the liver of liver stones, which are extremely rare. So where is your proof that you passed gallbladder or liver stones and there were actually such and not fecal soaps? Remember that debate is about evidence, not made up claims or false assumptions.
note the olive oil is yellow, not green.
And water is clear going in and raw steak is red going in. So your point?
What do you think the color of the bile is that plays a role in the saponification of the oil?
i think it is pretty funny that all of these different people from all around the world all had green things lurking inside their intestines. what are the odds of this?
Pretty good since fecal soaps are pretty common as shown by the research article I just posted for you.
another person's stones...
You mean another person's fecal soaps. If you watched my video series then you would have known that the blobs in this picture are inconsistent in color, texture and shape for real gallstones. They also show no calcification for their size, which REAL gallstones of this size would have been heavily calcified and faceted. In addition, it is physically impossible to pass REAL gallstones greater than 8mm in diameter since this is the maximum dilation of the bile ducts even with a bunch of magnesium to relax the ducts. Yet most of those blobs are in excess of 8mm. Over all there is nothing about those blobs that even remotely make them look like real gallstones. Just someone's wishful thinking.
more...
Soap stones.
stones inside a gallbladder...
Note the faceted structure of the real gallstones seen in the gallbladder photo above, but is lacking in all the pictures of soap stones presented such as the first 2 photos. Also note the color and consistency of the real gallstones in the photo above and then compare them to the first two photos above and the photo below containing soap stones. See how easy it is to differentiate between real gallstones and the soap stones people are passing with the so-called "liver flushes". The are so obviously different that even a lay person can tell the difference easily if they are told the facts of what real gallstones look like.
note the crystalline inner structure of the cholesterol. same exact composition as i had in mine. looks nothing like soap. never saw crystallized gall soap. maybe a good idea for ivory's new marketing campaign?
What crystalline inner structure? What you have in that photo above is clearly clumped saponified oil. You apparently confusing the glare of the light off the soap stones for crystals because there are NO crystalline structures visible to the naked eye in that photo. The closest thing to crystalline structure in those soap stones is the water in them.
just a little reminder of one of the many points i brought up in the last round of nonsense. let's assume for a minute that james is correct. as any good scientist knows, repeatability is the cornerstone of good science. how on earth can someone drink oil, pass these stones one time, and yet on another attempt nothing comes out?
This has already been answered multiple times. It really is a simple concept, all it takes is your reading the answers when they are posted.
the answer is clear that they come from the liver and gall bladder, else people would be able to repeat these results time and again.
Not true. Again read the explanations when posted instead of ignoring them then repeating yourself over and over.
ok couldn't resist, here's another liver with intrahepatic stones...
And? Nobody ever denied the existence of liver stones. Although they are very rare and almost exclusively seen in Asian countries. And again note they do not look like the green soap stones in several of your pictures.
still no answer from the anti brigade as to how coffee enemas can produce something that looks exactly like these stones with no oil ingested.
Actually this has come in the past and has been answered. But if you read the links I provided you on fecal soaps you will also be able to figure it out. Well, maybe not you but everyone else should be able to easily figure it out.
Regardless of whether they are "real gall bladder stones," it is clear that whatever they are, they were 1) lodged somewhere in my biliary tract and 2) expelled with both the coffee enema and, in much larger numbers, the liver flush.
They were never in the biliary tract, they were in the intestine since what you passed were fecal soaps. Real gallstones that size CANNOT pass through the bile ducts, which cannot expand that much.
The reason you got more of these soap stones when you did the so-called "liver flushes was that you were supplying more material for saponification to produce the soap stones and stimulating more bile release, which also plays a role in the saponification process. Look up how fecal soaps are produced in the body. It is a common process.
Those who deny liver flushing efficacy simply ignore this posting
It was not ignored, it was responded to.
The only thing that has been ignored are my questions on your so-called analysis of the so-called "stones" and all of the overwhelming evidence from reliable sites I have posted. But of course these have been ignored because there really was no analysis as claimed and the supporters of flushing have no way to counter the solid evidence that has been presented and that proves all of their previous denials wrong. So they have nothing else to come back with other than insults.
An actual comparison of your "Stones" with real gall bladder stones would reveal that they are not alike.
You are absolutely correct, but they are not going to let real facts get in the way of their "liver flushing" religion!
No oil was used. No flush attempted.
How was the toilet bowl full of the stones you call "fecal soaps" without having any oil to make the "fecal soaps" you speak of?
Again this has been answered previously.
So where is your proof that these were really gallstones? You said you analyzed them. How? Where is a copy of the report? How was it determined that they were truly gallstones and not fecal soaps?
I am not sure what the agenda is behind those who seek to prove that liver flushes are not real, but here is proof positive that they are:
My story from beginning to end has been posted primarily in the Candida Forumover the past year. I became very sick out of nowhere, and started seeing a naturopath after giving up on conventional medicine. He strongly recommended that I try coffee enemas to detox my liver.
The first time I ever tried a coffee enema, I had a strong bile release and reaction from my liver area (audible gurgling, contracting side, etc.) when I expelled the enema. Most interestingly, I noticed that I had passed two marble-sized green "stones" that were floating in the water. These looked exactly like the photos of the ones I had seen people pass from liver flushes on CureZone. I didn't think much of it at the time.
Fast forward months later, I finally got up the courage to try a real liver flush. With it, I passed dozens more "stones"--the same exact type that I had passed with the coffee enema!
As if the above weren't proof enough that the skeptics are wrong, upon examining the greenish "stones" I found them to be surprisingly firm and condensed. Far too firm to have magically formed in my digestive tract overnight. The only way I could describe their consistency is super-condensed globs of fat that were extremely sticky once broken open. They struck me as globs of fat that were somehow undigestable within the body.
Actually you just provided plenty of proof that those were not gallstones. First of all real gallstones that size cannot physically pass through the bile ducts. The bile ducts cannot expand that large.
Secondly, real gallstones that size would be calcified and thus would sink, not float. Therefore, this is definitive proof that what you passed were soap stones (fecal soaps). Fecal soaps are common and well known in science.
Also, real gallstones would not be sticky inside, and would also have a hard, faceted surface. So again, what you passed were fecal soaps, not real gallstones.
Thanks for providing more evidence that the so-called "liver flushes" are bogus.
By the way, the liver, nor the gallbladder, gurgle audibly.
Here is more evidence proving these "flushes" are bogus:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1534176#i
By the way, the liver, nor the gallbladder, gurgle audibly.
Prove it.
I am not the one that made the original claim. So it is up to that poster to prove that the liver and gallbladder do make audible gurgling noises. Since you wish to jump in defense to the OP's bogus claim then explain to everyone here how a solid organ like the liver can make gurgling noises. Be sure to provide your evidence. Your explanation should be quite entertaining, which would also explain why you made your post hiding behind a number. If I implied such a ridiculous claim then I would not want to be identified either.
So you can't prove your statement. Fact is you make many unproven claims that consist of nothing but your unproven opinion. Have you ever done a real series of liver gallbladder cleanses? Are experienced at all in this protocol to make these unproven laims?
Proof goes both ways. Unlike the so-called "liver flush" supporters I have presented more than enough evidence to my claims. So why have you and the other duped "liver flush" supporters ever provide any PROOF to the contrary? All I have seen from the duped people here are assumptions and misleading claims. Then they try to get other people to prove their false statements wrong. Common game played by people who know they are wrong and cannot provide evidence to the contrary. If I am wrong then you should have some solid evidence to counter all the evidence I have presented. If all you can do is try and get me to prove your false assumptions wrong then you will prove me right by default. So we are all waiting for your proof to the contrary.