Hi Rick....

I cannot make choices for you and yes, I received the same newsletter. I too have mixed feelings, however, the truth of the matter is that I am living proof of the results... albeit, this morning I had just completed my 3rd Liver Flush in 6 weeks and the most incredible things that I saw amongst the "stones" were the dead parasites that were eliminated from my body. After much reading and reseraching (for the last several weeks) I am still looking and gathering more information as to liver/ gall bladder flushes, but the truth is still there, the dead parasites. Yes, I know, it sounds yucking but, for me, I will continue with these flushes if not just to remove these life sucking parasistes from my system. For me, this is motivation enough. On another note, I feel much better, some pains that I had in my abdomen have subsided tremendously and I have more energy than before....

Not sure if I helped any, but you have to make that choice yourself... The only thing you gain from not doing a flush is knowledge of "not" knowing what may have transpired....

Best to you,
~Mista_X

I agree with you.

Some people are so much obsessed with green stones, that they forget what the main reason for flushing was/is. Usually, the main reason is to get better. If you flush 40 times, and get a lot of stones, but zero improvement, then flush just may not be your cure.

Spirit

Well, I'd sure like to know what Andreas Moritz thinks of this.

Also, what about the people who do manage to flush three times without any stones? Or what about the photos of livers and gallbadders with stones in them?

I'm going to stick with my plan to do the liver flushes. However, if the OO (Olive-Oil) mixture is creating stones, then couldn't it cause the liver and/or gallbladder to become more congested?

Flush indeed purges liver (intrahepatic bile ducts) and the gallbladder.

But, what comes out may, or may not be the size we think it is. Our digestion may clump together smaller pieces into the larger pieces, creating some larger objects.

Bile together with smaller stones might react with oil and might create larger objects. There are many possibilities. But, the fact is, our experience with Liver Flush is real. Our cures (or lack of it) is real.

Spirit

Beet juice is water soluble, but not oil soluble. Try mixing olive oil (or any oil) with beet juice - the oil will float on top of the colored juice, and not be affected at all by the color. You can stir it and shake it up, but the oil and water will not mix mo matter how hard you try. The green blobs that come out in a Liver Flush are saponified (hardened into soap-like compounds) oils that are composed of olive oil and bile.

You wrote: "Perhaps it is the stimulating effect the oil has on the liver that produces so many miraculous cures, and not the removal of "stones" as previously thought. It is certainly wise to investigate this matter as far as is possible, as perhaps it may allow people to relax a little and not obsess over sizes, shapes and colours of stones."

Agree.

Spirit

I have mentioned in past posts that I believe the effects of the flush for many people is likely due to the many components of the flush, such as the OO(rich in vitamin E), the Epsom Salts (magnesium effects mood, and several enzymes), and fresh squeezed fruit juices (they retain much of their enzymes and pure vitamin C components). Of course, the intense contractions produced by the oil can have a profound affect on any blockages, keeping in mind that many of the biliary ducts are measured in micro/millimeters, not centimeters, and that efficiency of the bile duct system could occur with a very small amount of mass removal.

I also believe, and have found in myself, that the regular 'exercise' produced by the liver contractions that result in the bile release of the liver/GB during a flush, can assist the body in producing/releasing bile more efficiently than before flushing.

Having researched information about lipase and fat metabolism in the body, I have grown to believe that the reason many people continue to produce stones after many, many flushes is due to either an on-going insufficiency in bile(something affected as much by dietary nutrients as by liver production and release) or by lipase deficiency. Bile emulsifies the fats, while lipase breaks it down making it absorbable by body cells. It seems to me that if bile isn't sufficient, lipase can not adequately break it down, even if there is enough lipase for the job, so the tendency toward 'stones' would increase as the un-emulsified fat moves thru the digestive tract. However, if the bile secretions are adequate, but pancreatic lipase production is low then a person is more likely to get the 'green blobs' rather than stones.

In my opinion, while either scenario could occur, neither one is superior to the other, they just give the person a hint as to what aspect of her/his digestive process needs the most attention. The focus can change as flushing and diet improvements continue. As more lipase is consumed or produced, more fat soluble vitamins such as A, D, E, and K can be absorbed and utilized by the body. And as the biliary system improves, the formation of liver/GB stones can be reduced which in turn will improve digestion, vitamin absorption, and cholesterol utilization(big deal in hormone production). No stones are produce when both systems are up and running efficiently creating an scenario where the large dose of oil produces an adequate release of emulsifying bile and the lipase breaks down that fat to be absorbed into the body cells as needed, sending the excess to thru the body via the intestinal tract and out with the fecal matter as fairly clear liquid oil.

All being said, flushing has many benefits, though perhaps not as simple as just producing stones. It seems to me that the 'process' of flushing is more important than any one part of the regimen.

I only participated today, after 18 flushes and lots of benefits.

You wrote: "People who have had success flushing their liver are not likely to be sticking around. Maybe a few do to give advice but most move on, glad to have all the misery behind them."

This is true, but IT MAY NOT BE AS BAD as you might think it is.

The sword might have two edges. People who experience some very bad problems with liver flush, may give up after a single attempt, and may leave curezone and never come back. Will we ever be able to get their stories?


I publicized Liver-Flush survey inside the last 2 curezone newsletters. Over 32,000 people were informed. 200 of them came to survey.

While many people come here and then disappear after a few months or years ... one percentage of them still stays linked to curezone through the newsletter.

Yes, people change their email address, and forget to subscribe to newsletter ... so there are also many people who after years disappear from the newsletter. But still, there are many who know about this survey. Survey was also promoted on Yahoogroups.

The problem is not so much about "old timers" not being aware of the survey. The far far bigger problem is people being really lazy, and unwilling to invest 30 - 40 min of their free time. Or people being "anti-survey".

I have invested 6 months of hard work, (hardest ever), day and night work, to create survey software. This is by far the most complicated piece of software ever created by me. It gives real time stats. No time delay. All stats are publicly available, while 100% protecting privacy and anonymity of survey participants.

I invested also 2-3 weeks of day and night work to create the Liver-Flush survey questions with all options. Collecting names and classifying over 200 ailments and symptoms, major and minor problems associated with liver flush, over 500 medications, over 50 parasite cleansing products, over 50 Zappers etc. ... that was not a minor job. And after that, some people just invest 1-2 min and answer just a single question and they give up. There are many who answered only the first 2-3 questions.


I wish I had this software 5 years ago. But, I can not turn the clock back.
I can not include the survey into the "old curezone", 5 years back in time. We will never get answers from people who lost all contact with curezone, or all contact with the Internet. C'est la vie!
But I can assure you one thing: within the next 5 years, there will be thousands of people who will participate in this survey.
With thousands of answers, the picture will be significantly more accurate then it is right now. Definitively more accurate.
This survey is still a "baby". Newborn. 3 weeks old. Do not expect too much of a newborn!


The door has been open, and it will stay open. It is time we invite "science" to curezone, cause if we wait for an invitation from the "science", it will never come.

best of health
Spirit