One week dry fast 
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My uncle has had surgery to "remove" his colon cancer. He's very indoctrinated into the mainstream health system.
The operation was a week ago and ever since he has not been drinking water or eating anything, on doctor's order.
He appeared to be fine until yesterday where he suddenly got very weak and sick.
I think the lack of water is causing this. 8 days without water... that sounds insane to me.
But you guys here know more about dry fasting than me, what do you think?
- Re: One week dry fast fastinganne
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,818,131Hi nekobody,
I have already survived a 14-day dry fast and many, many shorter ones; I have just finished the 6th day without water and any food, and will continue my dry fast for 8 days more.
However, my colon is intact and very healthy. I simply try to assist my body in healing, counting on having healthy sinuses and eyes without pterygium, the non - malignant eye neoplasm.
I believe that your uncle has made a good decision to perform a dry fast.
Love,
Anne- Re: One week dry fast chirontherainbowbridge
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making a decision is one thing, (esp. an informed one, self-directed); being bamboozled into surgery and then deprived of food and water is another thing. I doubt the man in question felt "inspired" from within to dry fast...
ox Chiron
(or am I wrong?)
I wish I could believe the poster's uncle had "made a decision to dry fast"
It sounds as though he may be subject to fear at this point.
Bless his heart.(And all organs and systems)!
But Anne has a good point. Let us decide that he DID decide to dry fast...that would make a world of difference in terms of his experience.
It's a form of prayer...
First I've heard of an MD prescribing such!
- Re: One week dry fast chirontherainbowbridge
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- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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This is a reply to # 1,818,131I am happy to see that the mainstream doctor actual ordered him to fast. That's great! I am on my 7th day now, and while I do crave certain liquids my mouth is till moist with saliva and I am not hungry at all. As for the weakness that is to be expected in the long dry fast. Do not worry about it. His body is taking care of his recovery right now.
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This is a reply to # 1,818,1318 days without water is insane for most people
I'm pretty sure i'd be dead before 8 days if I had to do it now, depends on what your uncle had to eat and drink before it all started!
I guess it would'nt do any harm for him to soak in a warmish bath and hope some of the water gets absorbed by his skin.
is he at home or still in hospital? I would have thought he would have needed to be under supervision if going for that long without food and water- Re: One week dry fast Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,818,263hghbuzz,
If I may be so bold as to ask, what is your body weight and estimated percentage body fat?- Re: One week dry fast hghbuzz
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This is a reply to # 1,818,840at the moment about 13 stone (182 pounds) and my body fat is probably at least 25%, gradually going down as I'm not putting so much fat back on between regular weekend fasts.
I don't feel like I'd live past about 5 days dry but I've never tried it so I may well be wrong !!
and I'm 37 year old male- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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This is a reply to # 1,818,852You just have to work your way up to it. If you did 3 days and felt aweful, repeat it again after you take 3 to 5 days break. Don't force it and your body will be greatful!
- Re: One week dry fast Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,818,852OK, thanks.
Just some rough numbers...
182 lbs, you're about 127 lbs of water. That's 16 gallons.
Assume that only the water contained in the fat is available for fasting (which isn't entirely true).
Then you have 45 lbs of fat, which is roughly 31.85 lbs of water.
That's 4 gallons or 512 ounces.
If you dry fasted for 2 weeks, that would be about 36 ounces per day.
Most of us who Water Fast regularly drink a lot less that that per day.
Also, that 45 lbs of fat contains about 144,000 calories. If you did a 40 day fast, that is 3600 calories per day.
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This is a reply to # 1,819,420thanks for working that out for me Golthing
so if 15% loss is usually fatal, then for me that is 2.4 gallons which is 11 litres or 384 ounces, so if my body used 1 litre a day then i could go for 11 days before getting 15% dehydrated.
The worst symptoms I've had were numb/tingling legs after 3 days which could be 6% fluid loss.
You just read everywhere that 3 days could be fatal and when I've tried it the symptoms get really uncomfortable and you start to fear for your life a lot.
I guess I could go for longer than I think if I am willing to put up with the bad symptoms, its just knowing when to stop.
What are the chances something freak might happen and your heart just gives up, I guess it is similar to water fasting in that as long as you don't go too long it is fairly safe.
best thing I can do is do lots of shorter fasts to get my body used to it and keep learning as much as I can.
From wikipedia:
Dehydration symptoms generally become noticeable after 2% of one's normal water volume has been lost. Initially, one experiences thirst and discomfort, possibly along with loss of appetite and dry skin. This can be followed by constipation. Athletes may suffer a loss of performance of up to 30%[6] and experience flushing, low endurance, rapid heart rates, elevated body temperatures, and rapid onset of fatigue.The symptoms become increasingly severe with greater water loss. One's heart and respiration rates begin to increase to compensate for decreased plasma volume and blood pressure, while body temperature may rise because of decreased sweating. At around 5% to 6% water loss, one may become groggy or sleepy, experience headaches or nausea, and may feel tingling in one's limbs (paresthesia). With 10% to 15% fluid loss, muscles may become spastic, skin may shrivel and wrinkle (decreased skin turgor), vision may dim, urination will be greatly reduced and may become painful, and delirium may begin. Losses greater than 15% are usually fatal.
- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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This is a reply to # 1,819,450I really don't think you can calculate dehydration like that. I started my last 7 day dry fast at 152.8 lbs. In 1 week I lost 21 pounds, which was roughly 14% of my body weight. However, all I had was a slightly dry mouth on day 7, and I am not a super human either.
Ultimately it all depends on how much liquid body holds as well as whether someone is a water drinker or not. Personally I pretty much only drink water to break fast and normally don't consume more then maybe a 1 to 1.5 liters of fluids on a daily basis.
- Re: One week dry fast Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,819,923Fast, they are just some rough numbers to point out that we have an ample supply of water built in.
- Re: One week dry fast Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,819,450hghbuzz
Your reluctance to do extended dry fasts is a good safety mechanism. Need to be skeptical.
But look at some of the dry fasting the animal kingdom does.
Sheldon's book has some great examples.
Penguins sit for roughly 60 days on their egg with no food or water.
How often does a cocoon eat or drink as the creature inside is transforming?
What about an animal in hibernation?
All DRY
food for thought not for the belly.
- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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- Re: One week dry fast Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,819,420Another interesting and lesser known consideration is that our body produces "metabolic water" as follows: A by-product of fat metabolism is hydrogen (h) and breathing oxygen gives us h2o. I believe an average person on a fast will produce 4/10 of a liter in this manner each day.
- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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This is a reply to # 1,819,949Actually an average person will produce 1 to 1.2 liter of metabolic water per 24 hours..:)
- Re: One week dry fast Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,819,952Are you able to provide a source to substantiate this? :)
I was remembering from the following quote from Dr. Filonov's book: "Water makes up about 70% of body mass, comes
with a drink and food composition, but other than that about 400 ml per day formed in the oxidation of mainly
fat."
I looked up another Filonov quote where "up to 1 liter of metabolic water" was mentioned, but not in conjunction with how much we burn in 24 hours: "from a physiological point of view of the body in complete starvation does not feel substantial
deficit of the liquid, because for every kilogram of a split
fat mass (or glycogen) is released per day up to 1 liter
endogenous (metabolic) water.
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- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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This is a reply to # 1,819,968Let's try this. During my last 7 day dry fast I lost 21 lbs or 9.53 kilo. Let's assume that 40% of it was water weight, which equals to: 3.8 kilo. The remaining 5.73 kilo are divided between fat and lean tissue, both of which constitute metabolic water, since metabolic water does not come just from fat but from lean tissue as well. Hence, I produced an average of 5.5 to 6 kilo (liter) of metabolic water in one week, or an average of .8 liter of metabolic water per day. Now had I been heavier then where I started I am sure I would've produced more. However, my fat reserves have dwindled sufficiently since after my 40-day fast and my subsequent dry fasts...:)
- Re: One week dry fast Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,819,975No big deal (and i am more than prepared to drop this in the spirit of harmony) but i think we are talking about 2 different kinds of water, metabolic water specifically referring to that which is produced when the hydrogen by-product of fat (and/or glycogen) burning combines with oxygen to form new water and not the water that already exists in whole form in the body that is released and utilized in the fast.
In any case, are you in disagreement with Dr. Filonov's quote that i posted where he talks about 400ml per day?... and if so do you have any actual sources to contradict his position?- Re: One week dry fast fastician
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This is a reply to # 1,819,980First of all I consider Dr. Filonov to be my mentor and don't see any reason to disagree with him. Hence, I just called him to get the answer from the horse's mouth.
First of all he wanted to underline that metabolic water is not produced just through fat metabolism but everything else as well, including tissues,etc. Secondarily he said how much metabolic water is produced during the dry fast is based on an individual, but an average it is between .8 to 1 liter per 24 hours. The 400 ml you've mentioned is produced in non-fasting condition. You are welcome to email him to double check if you like. Although he is currently in Altay mountains and won't be back on-line till the 20th of this month.- Re: One week dry fast Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,819,988Now that's the kind of clarification i was looking for, thank you ;).
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