The gallbladder is not large enough to hold 1000's of stones, so what you are passing are not gallstones.
The fact that they resemble what others are passing, (which are also not gallstones), this just adds to the evidence, of what you are passing, not being gallstones.
Do some research on how the body works, study some anatomy, that way you will know that the gallbladder cannot contain 1000's of stones.
spud
You are absolutely correct Spud. There is no way to pass a half inch stone through the bile ducts. So these clearly were not gallstones.
Like olive oil though, avocado contains fats and sterols, which as has been pointed out in past posts both contribute to the formation of these pseudostones. So more proof these so-called "liver flushes" are bogus.
LOL. So I suppose these things just popped out of thin air huh? LOL.
Why do the liver flush supporters always twist what was said? NOBODY said anything about out of thin air. The process of oil saponification and the formation of sterol-cholesterol complexes is very well known in science and has been explained here over and over an over....... The flush supporters do not want to hear the facts though so they ignore them when posted.
I'd also like to mention that I have been dealing with some serious pain in my liver area radiating up to my shoulder ever since getting off an ssri two months ago and much of the pain has been relieved. I feel much better than last night, when the pain was keeping me awake.
So you're telling me that somehow that the avocado that I ate morphed into thousands upon thousands of little stone like substances of varying color, hardness, and so on just like that? Why have I never had this happen to me before? I've eaten avocado in my life, and it's never happened.
The ONLY way that you could have possibly had thousands of stones in your gallbladder and were able to pass half inch stones through your bile ducts is if you are an alien from some other planet. Humans cannot pass real stones that large nor are their gallbladders large enough to hold that many real stones.
For fun though give us details about these "stones". Were they hard? Soft? Float? Sink? Color? Clear or opaque? What did the larger "stones" in particular look like?
I know human biology and I know that the gall bladder uses bile to break down fats. The high fat meal of avocados stimulated the bile flow which pushed out all of those stones. Pretty common sense if you ask me. I saved a few of them and plan to take them to the doctor to see what he says.
Take the half inch ones and have him explain to you how they CANNOT physically pass through the bile ducts after he stops laughing.
i have friends who have been chief resident pathologists at major hospitals, and i have talked at length with them on the subject. i have also talked with career pathologists. there are also tons and tons of md's including hepatologists who recommend their patients try Liver Flushes before having surgery. i have talked with a number of md's who are all on board with the liver flushes.
in russia many md's are well into liver flushing. it is just common practice there. in fact they have their own flavor of performing liver flushes with noEpsom Salts but they use lemon instead of grapefruit. i have talked at length with sever russian md's.
Yeh, sure. And you had dinner with the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy the other night. Tell you what, IF any of this is true then many be some of these doctors will provide the evidence to the claims the LF supporters keep making since the supporters have been asked numerous times to post some real evidence and have failed to post even a shred.
I have a friend who is medical doctor in Moscow. I will have to ask her about these wild claims next time she comes to visit.
i am entertained though at your efforts, keep them up!
it is also serving a great purpose for newcomers as the overwhelming consensus is that you and hv are wrong. the more you guys keep up your arguments the more people are seeing what the truth is.
ROTFLMAO!!!!! How in the world is your making stuff up proving us wrong? We are the ones that keep posting PROOF that the flushes are bogus. You and your buddies have been asked to post real evidence of your claims so many times and all you come back with is telling us we are wrong. That IS NOT evidence!!!!! All that does is show how gullible the LF supporters are to believe in something that the evidence that has been provided has overwhelmingly PROVEN is BOGUS!!!!! If you think that is entertaining then more power to you.
Luckily most people have enough common sense to look at all the evidence presented and will come to the same conclusion that the evidence proves the flushes are bogus.
those of us that know the truth of the matter are not surprised.
Truth? Is that what the LF supporters are calling their fantasy now?
but this will serve newcomers very well and provide more overwhelming evidence for future onlookers.
Actually these debates are the best advertisement that the flushes are bogus. The people pointing out that they are bogus keep posting evidence to back their claims while the LF supporters do not. Who do you think most people are going to listen to especially if they use a little common sense?
and this IS the exact place to post what you posted, don't let the anti-truth brigade try to stop you.
spudlee: the stones are released from both the liver and gall bladder in a flush. if the liver is distended with stones it is possible for a huge number to be released.
ROTFLMAO!!!!! Now that is funny. Liver stones are extremely rare. And there is still NO WAY ON EARTH that he passed real gallstones a half inch in diameter. Again that would be physically impossible, which is why when these big blobs that had no characteristics of real gallstones were analyzed by other people they were found by the labs to be saponified olive oil.
i think some people exaggerate a bit about thousands, but hundreds is still very significant. i hope one day you will get to experience the great health one feels from liver flushing.
Spud did do the flush after confirming she did not have any gallstones and still passed the green blobs. And again it is impossible to pass a real gallstone a half inch in diameter. The fact that the LF supporters keep making these wild, impossible claims is why they are not taken seriously by those who really know science and how the body really works.
don't be a semantic troublemaker, we covered this already: stones are the general class of congealed bile, cholesterol, or calcium stones.
Real stones, yes. But not the big green blobs people are passing with the LFs. That is primarily saponified oil and sterol-cholesterol complexes.
if YOU want to be troublemaker then at least go to the trouble to follow your own zany semantic rules and say these are not CALCIUM stones.
Real gallstones will calcify as they grow. But those big blobs are not because they are not real gallstones. They are formed in the intestines from the flush. Again the evidence of this has been posted in he past several times. Try researching it.
to which we would all agree that the majority of stones passed in Liver Flushes are congealed bile or cholesterol stones. yay! we all agree!
Why would everyone agree to this when this is not the case?
obviously ray's experience completely shatters the oil soapstone theory. or will there be a new theory of avocado soap??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!! How does that even remotely shatter the soapstone theory? What he described actually backs the fact!!!!
By the way, do you know what a theory is? It is a hypothesis that is backed by EVIDENCE!!! So you are admitting that the hypothesis is valid, LOL!!!!! Good job Lisamarie!!!
Your concept of if you cannot beat them, ban them says it all!!!
Personally I think the people that need to be banned here are the ones that refuse to post real evidence to back their claims. These are DEBATE boards. Debate involves taking a stance and PROVIDING EVIDENCE to back that stance as the people debunking liver flushing have done. The liver flush supporters simply come here to say your wrong, your wrong, your wrong........ That is not supplying evidence and therefore shows they are simply here to cause fights with their subtle and not so subtle attacks.
Well then why don't you just voluntarily ban yourself because I have seen no proof from you or any of the other medical trolls on this forum! But those who sell products that compete with the liver flush should not be allowed to dominate this forum with their deceptions and lies!
Motto of the liver flush supporters: "If you cannot beat them ban them".
What do I sell that is in competition with the bogus liver flush program? Why do I recommend Grape Bitters, Chinese Bitters and/or lecithin for dissolving gallstones when I DO NOT sell any of these? I see I have the liver flush supporters running scared with real evidence that the flushes are bogus, so they are getting very desperate again. This is why they lie by calling me a medical troll when I actually work with alternative medicines. Again nobody can question the teachings of the liver flush cult.