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Re: Urgent Public Notice The Legal P... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,695,027Hello Kevin,
People are adding an acid to sodium chlorite and forming chlorous acid. Chlorous acid has small amounts of free chlorine dioxide in it. This distinction is important because it is a lot different than adding an acid to sodium chlorite then bubbling air through the solution to strip the chlorine dioxide from the chlorous acid and then depositing the chlorine dioxide into another container of water and working with chlorine dioxide in water. Chlorous acid is different from chlorine dioxide in water.
MMS is 28%, by weight, sodium chlorite and is made from 80% pure sodium chlorite powder. The resultant solution is 22.4% sodium chlorite. That concentration of sodium chlorite is dangerous to handle and has shipping restrictions, so I recommend that people dilute it down to a 5% concentration and use that.
"Stabilized oxygen" have been in use for a long time. They use concentrations in the 2.5 - 5% range and a usual protocol is to put 10 - 20 drops in a glass of water and drink that. Yes, they are having good results by simply drinking a dilute sodium chlorite solution and letting the stomach activate it. Also, Jim Humble initially claimed having 70% success against malaria using stabilized oxygen in the same way.
MMS is Jim Humbles effort to go from 70% success to 100% success with malaria.
Tom- Re: Urgent Public Notice The Legal P... sedonapure
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This is a reply to # 1,695,077TOM THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU WROtE IN A PREVIOUS REPLY IN THIS POST YOU SAID "TAKING SODIUM CHLORITE SOLUTION REACTS IN THE STOMACH" NOT IN THE FORM THAT IS Miracle-Mineral-Supplement WHICH IS DISSOLVED CHLORINE DIOXIDE.
MMS is the end reaction of sodium chlorite and a light acid activator such as citric acid placed in an "organic" medium such as water to capture the chlorine dioxide gas.
Then drinking the water with the dissolved chlorine dioxide gas.
FURTHER MORE WE NEED TO GET SOME TERMS CORRECTED.
Yes, you are correct that sodium chlorite can be explosive, and so can chlorine dioxide when mixed with "organic" materials.
Do you know the difference between "organic" and "inorganic" I think NOT.
Here let me help you.
This is very important for all readers to understand:
organic in the terms of the USDA such as when you go to the store to purchase veggies and fruits does NOT have the same meaning in chemistry.
In chemistry "Organic" means NOT NATURAL CHEMICAL. IT IS A MATERIAL THAT IS ORGANIC TO CHEMISTRY!
In Foodstuffs (example) "Organic" means naturally grown, natural whole foods.
In chemistry "In-Organic" means natural materials such as fruits and veggies.
The danger warnings concerning sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide pertain to "Organic" as in the chemistry term, which would be lab produced chemicals.
If your statement WERE true, which it is NOT concerning 10grams of sodium chlorite dissolved into a "Organic" material as in the definition used by the USDA Organics program, will NOT explode.
Tom, water is "Organic" by definition of the USDA term, especially if it is distilled and does not contain materials that in CHEMISTRY are termed "Organic"
Are You getting this?
I really hope so.
This is why sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide does not explode when prepared in an "Organic" (as termed by the USDA) water devoid of "Organic" material as defined by chemistry.
Tom We have over 300 pounds of sodium chlorite stored in our lab, and we do perform experiments with this product continually in our water purification department.
Yes, we keep "ORGANIC" materials away from it, but again "Organic as termed in chemistry and not the USDA term. I assure you I have no problem sitting my ham sandwich down on a container of sodium chlorite.
Here is a test for you mix up sodium chlorite and inject it into a banana, I assure you NO exploding bananas.
On our webite we show the lab work to prove that up to 5,000ppm of chlorine dioxide can be stored safely in distilled water, and no safety issues at all.
Matter of fact when the water is "chilled" it stores even more safely.
Another issue with your statements is concerning the alkalinity of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , this is FALSE!
When Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is mixed with citric acid the solution is "ACIDIC" NOT ALKALINE as you stated.
I really have doubts as to your "EVER IN YOUR LIFE" testing this for yourself.
TOM RIGHT NOW! STOP WRITTING POST AND GET TO YOUR LOCAL SWIMMING POOL SUPPLY STORE AND PURCHASE A AQUACHECK BRAND POOL TEST KIT. THE BOTTLE IS BLUE WITH A YELLOW CAP.
IT CONTAINS 50 TEST STRIPS WHICH CHECK FOR pH LEVEL.
Mix up MMS in a coffee cup just how everyone is told to do.
10 drops sodium chlorite and 50 drops of citric acid solution.
wait the three minutes and add the 4-6 ounces of distilled water.
Then Test with the test strips.
The test pads for Ph will be BRIGHT YELLOW
MEANING HIGHLY ACIDIC!
Yellow on any pH paper means very acidic in the range of 2.5 to 4.5
ACIDIC, ACIDIC, ACIDIC, TOM
NOT ALKALINE!
EVERYONE READING THIS POST GO AND DO THIS EXPERIMENT FOR YOURSELVES AND STOP LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAVE PERFORMED THIS THEMSELVES AND ARE ONLY READING GARBAGE FROM SOMEONE ELSES GARBAGE.
DO IT YOURSELF AND SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES!
Jesus man dont you get it!
The MMS being acidic has the wrong ratio of chlorite to chlorate balance.
The proper Balance should be 5 to 1
meaning 5 ions of chlorite to 1 ion of chlorate.
Chlorate is the BAD ION that even in water treatment we must avoid.
Tom the body is 70% water.
The last issue concerns cyanide.
chlorine dioxide can work on cyanide, but remember your chemistry.
chlorine dioxide does NOT react with ammonia.
It leaves ammonia in the blood, and ignores the build up of ammonia.
Please Google Ammonia poisoning symptoms, and also "sodium deficiency"
people need to be instructed on how to avoide the chlorate ions from MMS to binding with the free sodium in the blood stream.
People need to be instructed on how to produce "stablized" chlorine dioxide from an "Alkaline reactant" not a acid reactant, and if an acid is used like citric acid then they must be instructed on how to "buffer" the solution to raise the pH prior to consuming.
People need to be instructed on how to produce chlorine dioxide in "chilled" water.
People need to be instructed on the importance of adding a "buffer" agent to the solution to raise the pH so that it does NOT make them sick.
You are right when you stated that citric acid can cause stomach upset. IT IS DUE TO THE ACID TOM AND THE LOW pH OF THE ACID.
It is also due to the chlorate ions binding to the free sodium.
Get IT!
Add salt to the solution!
ADD buffering Agents such as sodium bicarb or even kaopectate to the solution
IT WILL NOT DETER THE OUTPUT OF CHLOINE DIOXIDE NOR THE OUTPUT OF THE GOOD CHLORITE IONS, It will reduce the bad chlorate ions, and raise the pH of the solution.
People who are suffering are ACIDIC!
Do you NOT know this?
The MMS as advised to produce it is HIGHLY ACIDIC
WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU TELL PEOPLE TO ADD MORE ACID TO THEIR BODIES?
WHEN IT IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE MMS IS WORK ITS MAJIC.
I WILL NOT REPLY TO ANY MORE OF YOUR POST UNTIL YOU PERFORM THE ABOVE EXPERIMENT TO PROVE THAT MMS IS ACIDIC AND NOT ALKALINE AS YOU SO OFTEN STATE IT IS.
YOU HAVE PROVED TO ME THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
IT APPEARS TO ME THAT YOU KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS.
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- Re: Urgent Public Notice The Legal P... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,695,474Hello Kevin,
There seems to be a whole lot of misunderstanding, so let's start at the beginning.
MMS is 22.4% sodium chlorite. This solution has a PH of about 12. Since its PH is above 7, that makes it alkaline. Measure yours and see what you come up with.
The Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol calls for adding some acid to the sodium chlorite when you mix up a dose. This is similar to acidified sodium chlorite. This forms chlorous acid with a PH of 2.5 - 3. Since the PH is lower than 7, that makes it an acid.
The Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol goes on to advise people to drink this chlorous acid in various concentrations to the point that they become ill, then to back off a little until they condition their bodies to take higher concentrations without adverse effects.
When I took chemistry, organic materials had carbon in them...
You should go back and re-read what I wrote...
I'll save you the effort and repeat it here. I said
[quote Tom]"Dissolving 10 grams of sodium chlorite in 8 ounces of fluid will result in a very high concentration that is not stable, and can explosively activate upon contact with acids or in the presence of heat." [end quote]
Perhaps I was not clear enough. If you mix up 10 grams of sodium chlorite powder in 8 ounces of water and bring it into contact with an acid, the reaction can be explosive. You were suggesting that your solution could be put into a pill and ingested. As the pill dissolved, the contents would come into contact with the HCl in the stomach. The reaction of sodium chlorite with acid produces heat. The higher the concentration of sodium chlorite, the more heat is given off during the reaction. Your suggested pill may cause a lot a damage to the stomach.
Putting that solution into a banana will be uneventful because the banana is not acidic. Try it with a lemon or a lime and you will end up with an aggressive, and perhaps explosive, reaction.
Simmering such a solution may be enough to activate it, and that would also be very interesting.
While avoiding chlorate is important, the water purification process targets chlorite. The current regulations specify limiting chlorite to 1 PPM. Chlorite is a free radical that can damage the body at higher concentrations. Using chlorine dioxide alone to purify water is limited because about 70% of the chlorine dioxide forms chlorite, and the levels of chlorite are regulated. This limits the gross amount of chlorine dioxide to a concentration of 1.4 PPM. When those amounts are exceeded, additional water treatment must be done to scrub the chlorite out of the water.
In 1981 a test using chlorine dioxide in water (keeping in mind that this is different than acidified sodium chlorite) and monitoring for adverse effects in humans. The test ran for 12 weeks during which each person drank a liter of water a day that had a concentration of 5 PPM chlorine dioxide. No adverse effects were observed.
Jim Humble is fond of referring to the "Lubbers" study and claims that proves that the Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol is safe and causes no harmful effects in the body.
Here is a way to approximate the solution used in that study. This will be slightly more acidic than the solution used in the study, but it will give you an idea of what a chlorine dioxide concentration of 5 PPM is.
In a measuring container, put 6.25 grams of sodium chlorite powder and add enough distilled water to make a total solution of 100 ml. Stir until all of the powder has dissolved. You now have 100 ml of 5% sodium chlorite.
Next, you will need to pick up some muriatic acid from the local building supply store. Muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid. It usually comes in around a 32% concentration. You will need a 6% concentration to use, so if your HCl is 32%, you would put 18.75 ml of the 32% HCl in a measuring device and add enough distilled water to make a total of 100 ml. You now have 100 ml of 6% HCl.
Next you will need a container that will hold 1 liter of water. Put 1 liter of water into the container.
Next, in a separate glass put 0.2 ml of the 5% sodium chlorite and add 0.2 ml of the 6% HCl. Swirl to mix. The easiest way to measure 0.2 ml is to use a 1 ml syringe.
Next you add the activated solution you just mixed up to the 1 liter of water. Chilled water is not necessary at this concentration of chlorine dioxide.
You now have 1 liter of water with a concentration of 6 PPM chlorine dioxide in it. This is higher than the 5 PPM used during the Lubbers test, but is close enough to give you an idea of this concentration.
Notice the color, odor, and taste. You can drink this concentration without experiencing adverse effects. The people in the Lubbers study drank this for 12 weeks without any adverse effects.
My water is slightly alkaline with a PH of 7.2. Using this solution I end up with slightly acidic water with a PH of 6.2. This is still not chlorine dioxide technology, but it comes close to it.
Jim Humble claims that a concentration of 1 - 5 PPM is all that is necessary to rid the body of pathogens. This solution has 6 PPM chlorine dioxide in it and I invite you to compare it to a normal dose of MMS according to the MMS protocol.
http://www.coleparmer.com
has chlorine dioxide test strips. Pick some up and measure the concentration of chlorine dioxide in the various solutions. Chlorine test strips don't give an accurate measurement of chlorine dioxide.
If a concentration of 5 PPM is all that is needed, the question arises that perhaps the problem has to do with using a solution that has too high a concentration of chlorine dioxide in it rather than the PH of the solution.
Tom
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,695,706AGAIN YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! IT IS ACIDIC! YOU DID NOT DO WHAT I ASKED YOU TO DO DID YOU?
YOU DID NOT GO AND GET A WATER PH TESTER LIKE I TOLD YOU TOO DO. DID YOU?
YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP, AND A TOTAL m*o*o*n.
THE SOLUTION IS ACIDIC. YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE GARBAGE THAT YOU ARE SPOUTING DONT YOU?
WELL IF YOU BELIEVE THIS GARBAGE THEN GO GET A TESTER AND TEST THE SOLUTION, AND IF YOU DO IT ONLINE IN A VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE SOLUTION MADE BY SODIUM CHLORITE AND AN ACID SUCH AS citric acid BEING ALKALINE OF 10.0 I WILL GIVE YOU $10,000 DOLLARS, BUT YOUR METHOD MUST BE REPRODUCEABLE AND USING THE Miracle-Mineral-Supplement STANDARD THAT YOU STATE WHICH IS 10 DROPS OF Miracle-Mineral-Supplement OR SODIUM CHLORITE SOLUTION TO 50 DROPS OF citric acid SOLUTION.
STOP THE B.S. AND DO THE REAL TEST TOM, AND STOP KILLING PEOPLE NEEDLESSLY.
YOU ARE PROVING TO BE THE PROBLEM WITH Miracle-Mineral-Supplement .
PROVE YOUR ALKALINE STATEMENT, OR SHUT UP.
YOU ARE WRONG! YOU ARE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND AND ALL THAT FOLLOW YOU WILL FALL INTO THE SAME HOLE. - Re: Urgent Public Notice The Legal P... sedonapure
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tom, why are you so afraid to perfrom the test as i have directed?
are you affraid that it will prove you have been decieved?
if you are so sure that the mms solution is alkaline and not acidic then prove you are correct!
i believe that you are affraid to be proven wrong!
arn't you?
tom, you are scared to death that i am right and you are wrong.
and it can easily be proven ether way.
get the aquacheck test kit, and do then perform test tom
it will only cost about 10.00 bucks! and no more than 5 minutes to prove you are right, or prove you are wrong!
i suggest you do the test very soon, because we are ready to post video of this test for the world to see, and we will post in the video your comments.
i guarranty that the entire world will be watching this video, and they will all see your ignorance.
tom, you have a chance to prove your statements, or the opportunity to re-cant and apologize.
the choice is yours.
but i assure you by the hundreds of phone calls i am getting daily by people who are doing the test that confirm what i have already stated.
mms is acidic as presented.
- Re: Urgent Public Notice The Legal P... SilverFox
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This is a reply to # 1,696,032Hello Kevin,
You seem to be having a lot of difficulty with understanding. May I suggest that you have someone read what I wrote and then you can discuss it back and forth and come to an understanding of what is being said.
I wrote
[quote Tom]"MMS is 22.4% sodium chlorite. This solution has a PH of about 12. Since its PH is above 7, that makes it alkaline. Measure yours and see what you come up with."[end quote]
I believe you sell bottles of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Put some of what is in your bottle and measure it. If your solution is acidic you had better call it something other than Miracle-Mineral-Supplement . Every bottle I have purchased has an alkaline solution in it. Perhaps I should purchase a bottle from you and see if the solution your are selling is acidic or alkaline.
Let's take a look and what Jim Humble has to say about Miracle-Mineral-Supplement ...
[quote Jim Humble]"Sodium chlorite is highly alkaline, that is the opposite of acid." [end quote]
[quote Jim Humble]"At this time my solution, which I have named the Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS), is 28% sodium chlorite."[end quote]
Perhaps you better stop here for a moment and review what I just wrote. MMS is sodium chlorite and sodium chlorite is alkaline. You sell MMS in a bottle and your solution that you put into that bottle is alkaline. MMS is alkaline.
You may need to review the previous information again so it will sink in, but if you understand that MMS is alkaline, we can now move on to my second statement.
I said
[quote Tom]"The MMS protocol calls for adding some acid to the sodium chlorite when you mix up a dose. This is similar to acidified sodium chlorite. This forms chlorous acid with a PH of 2.5 - 3. Since the PH is lower than 7, that makes it an acid."[end quote]
While sodium chlorite solutions are alkaline, adding an acid to them forms chlorous acid, which is an acid.
MMS is alkaline. When you follow the MMS protocol and add an acid to it you form chlorous acid and you are instructed to drink the chlorous acid.
Your difficulty seems to be that you don't understand that there is a difference between MMS and following the MMS protocol. MMS is an alkaline solution. The MMS protocol instructs you to add an acid to MMS and drink chlorous acid.
MMS is a sodium chlorite solution that is alkaline.
The MMS protocol instructs you to add acid to MMS and drink chlorous acid.
Do you see the difference?
At any rate, I agree that drinking acid is not in the best interest of health.
OK, now take a deep breath and read again what I said. I noticed that you like to use all caps so in an effort to help you understand let me try this...
MMS IS 28% (BY WEIGHT) SODIUM CHLORITE IN DISTILLED WATER THAT IS ALKALINE WITH A PH OF ABOUT 12.
Does that help?
Tom- Re: Urgent Public Notice The Legal P... petkaymad
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This is a reply to # 1,696,114Well done with your patience Tom, I am not sure I could have done it the way you did, even I can see what you are saying and understood it the first time around.
Thank you for another valuable contibution.
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