spud...

i think you are right in a way. maybe this thread got a bit personal.

why don't you take it around to addressing the original post then. i think the person made an interesting point about all the people in the world who are consuming high fat foods and no soapstones are being released.

if you read the forums there have been scores if not hundreds of people who all report passing stones from liver flushing. the counter-arguments are not strong enough to dismiss the validity of hundreds or thousands of people's experiences.

someone asked hv to make a soapstone in his lab using oil, Epsom Salts and digestive enzymes. that seems like a good start, if he can cook up a green crytallized soap stone then maybe he has a point. no one has ever done this though, and just reciting a chemical formula is really not evidence of anything.

the most convincing thing to me is that people who do flushes do no always produce the same thing. whereas when people eat certain foods regularly the stool is always the same. if it is a simple chemical reaction of 'sterols' then it should be easily REPRODUCIBLE. this is one of the cornerstones of science, no? reproducibility. the theory of gravity was proved since it ALWAYS happens.

there was an installation artist whose name escapes me. he literally built a replica of the human digestive system called 'cloacal'. you fed it food, and after travelling through several different chambers it produced... a turd at the end. surely it can't be that hard for someone with rudimentary skills to create a 'soapstone'. that would be the end of it.

while i don't agree with the tenor of the previous poster's message, i do think the message is close to the mark. hv has consistently baited and ridiculed people on other forums when disagreeing with him. karma does seem to be at play here.

i also think one of the reasons this is getting out of hand is because it is a very important issue. if we were debating which chelate of magnesium was best absorbed in redheaded post-menopausal women from uzbekistan, then it would be a non issue. everyone knows malate would be the correct answer. but Liver Flushes are one of the most powerful, simple, and effective remedies in the repertoire of alternative medicine. they are a procedure that can literally turn people's life around in short order for a very few dollars. so let's put this in perspective, what is more important, a few fragile egos getting bruised or getting a message out to people who certainly need it?

you seem to lean toward level-headedness, but you have an admitted bias toward disbelieving the validity of the liver flush. but, the difference between you and hv is that you don't go around belittling others, you just have your belief and that's it. you also seem to have an open mind.
if you can see beyond your own bias you will come to see the truth of the matter about the liver cleanses.