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My BP systolic yesterday was 150 and has been rising lately.This happended before and was due to water retention because of potassium depletion and sodium retention.Potassium supplementation(all types)caused BP to rise to 180 so I had to stop.The only sodium I get in my diet is that found naturally in vegetables(about 500mg/day).The last time this happended I added 3 baked potatoes and two apple to my diet wihch pumped up the potassium and helped a great deal.My potassium to sodium ratio is now 10 to 1 or greater but I am still retaining water(I think)becasue my ring is tighter than it was.
I tried the magnesium malate(200 3 times per day)and I've stopped the licorice root(450mg).What else can I try?Is there another natural diuretic I can try?
Also is Horsetail silica OK(vitamin shoppe)?...until I can get some DE?
Thanks.
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My BP systolic yesterday was 150 and has been rising lately.This happended before and was due to water retention because of potassium depletion and sodium retention.Potassium supplementation(all types)caused BP to rise to 180 so I had to stop.The only sodium I get in my diet is that found naturally in vegetables(about 500mg/day).The last time this happended I added 3 baked potatoes and two apple to my diet wihch pumped up the potassium and helped a great deal.My potassium to sodium ratio is now 10 to 1 or greater but I am still retaining water(I think)becasue my ring is tighter than it was.
Are you diabetic or have kidney issues? These can raise blood pressure.
I tried the magnesium malate(200 3 times per day)and I've stopped the licorice root(450mg).What else can I try?Is there another natural diuretic I can try?Most natural diuretics are potassium rich, which is what makes them diuretic. Juniper berry is an exception. Juniper berry does drop the blood sugar quite well though, so use it with caution if you are prone to hypoglycemia.
Also is Horsetail silica OK(vitamin shoppe)?...until I can get some DE?Horsetail contains nicotine, which constricts blood vessels so I do not recommend it. Nettle leaf, seaweeds, rice or oat bran are all good sources.
Here are some old posts on dealing with high blood pressure:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1523781#i
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1451959
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1651918#i
- Re: need help with hypertension JC73
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This is a reply to # 1,664,298I am not diabetic and don't have kidney problems (at least not that I know-not serious enough to register on blood tests-but some mild degree of kidney problem is possible since I have had hypertension for decades).I have tried the herbs you suggest but the pressure remains high.I stopped lactoferrin and zyflamend(with barberry)three weeks ago.I don't know if that's enough time to end the potassium depletion.Consuming potassium and magnesium are not helping.What about Celery seed?....someone on this forum mentioned it's a good diuretic.
I may have to get a diuretic from my doctor if I can't solve the problem natutally.Would I be better off with high pressure(in the 145-160 range) or is it better to bring it down with a diuretic drug?what is the least bad drug?....a potassium sparing diuretic like Maxide of just a plain diuretic?
I am reasonably sure my problem is sodium retention(and potassium depletion) causing the water retention so the artery relaxing approach isn't effective.Any suggestions?
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I am not diabetic and don't have kidney problems (at least not that I know-not serious enough to register on blood tests-but some mild degree of kidney problem is possible since I have had hypertension for decades).I have tried the herbs you suggest but the pressure remains high.I stopped lactoferrin and zyflamend(with barberry)three weeks ago.I don't know if that's enough time to end the potassium depletion.Consuming potassium and magnesium are not helping.What about celery seed?....someone on this forum mentioned it's a good diuretic.
Yes, it is a diuretic. But there are better choices such as parsley leaf, corn silk, or anything else that is potassium rich. These include watermelon, papaya, kiwis, orange juice, ripe bananas, nettle leaf, etc. Juniper berry is also an excellent diuretic and helps to keep blood sugar down and is excellent for strengthening the nervous system.
I may have to get a diuretic from my doctor if I can't solve the problem natutally.Would I be better off with high pressure(in the 145-160 range) or is it better to bring it down with a diuretic drug?what is the least bad drug?....a potassium sparing diuretic like Maxide of just a plain diuretic?
What would work the best will depend a lot on not only the problem itself (water retention, hypercalcemia, angiotensin, etc) and its cause (poor heart or kidney function, hyperparathyroidism, etc.).
I am reasonably sure my problem is sodium retention(and potassium depletion) causing the water retention so the artery relaxing approach isn't effective.Any suggestions?There is a list of diuretics above. Watermelon would actually be my first choice. All parts of the watermelon including the rind and seeds are diuretic.
If diuretics do not work then a second option would be to strengthen the heart muscle to pump more blood through the kidneys for more water removal. Coleus forskohlii with nettle leaf would be a great combination for this.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,664,815What do you think about dandelion and hawthorn berries as a diuretic?
I came across some info that suggested candida overgrowth may be associated with potassium depletion.Several cases have been repotred where Antibiotics caused potassium depletion due to candida overgrowth.I can't find anthing about it on pubmed.Have you heard of any connection?
Yesterday I ran for about 30 mins and checked my blood pressure when I got home...it was 118/70....down from 147/80.I think the sweating acted as a great diuretic but the effect only lasts for a few hours.
I am a long time runner (with a CT scan(16 slice) calcium score of 0)so I don't think the hypertension problem is related to vascular or heart disease.
I know diuretics like maxide or htz? are not a long term solution but are they harmful in the short time of 2-3 months?My 75 yr old neighbor has been on them(lasic?) for 20+ yrs and doesn't believe they cause him a problem.
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What do you think about dandelion and hawthorn berries as a diuretic?
Dandelion root is pretty good due to the high potassium content. I would not bother with hawthorn berry.
I came across some info that suggested candida overgrowth may be associated with potassium depletion.Several cases have been repotred where antibiotics caused potassium depletion due to candida overgrowth.I can't find anthing about it on pubmed.Have you heard of any connection?I have not heard of a connection, and I am doubtful of the findings. Antibiotics can lead to potassium loss through the diarrhea they can cause from the destruction of the flora. So is the link really the loss of potassium, or the loss of the flora and the potassium loss just happens to be present?
Yesterday I ran for about 30 mins and checked my blood pressure when I got home...it was 118/70....down from 147/80.I think the sweating acted as a great diuretic but the effect only lasts for a few hours.Blood vessels can also dilate during exercise to help increase blood flow to the muscles. This can also lower blood pressure.
I am a long time runner (with a CT scan(16 slice) calcium score of 0)so I don't think the hypertension problem is related to vascular or heart disease.Generally regular exercise like running lowers the blood pressure.
I know diuretics like maxide or htz? are not a long term solution but are they harmful in the short time of 2-3 months?My 75 yr old neighbor has been on them(lasic?) for 20+ yrs and doesn't believe they cause him a problem.Depends a lot on the diuretic. Lasix (furosemide) for example is a loop diuretic. If potassium is not supplemented the lasix can lead to heart arrhythmias in about a week. On the other hand people need to watch their potassium intake if on potassium sparing diuretics. Also keep in mind that people can react differently to drugs. Just because your neighbor is not experiencing any side effects he is aware of does not mean he is not and you won't. Look at how many people are on a variety of medications. Often the majority of the medications are treating the side effects of the original drug. And some medications can be treating the side effects of the drug used to treat the side effects of the original drug. But people most of the time don't realize that they are taking medications to treat the side effects of another drug. For example your neighbor is going to be on something like Slow-K to treat the side effects of the Lasix.
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