Anemia and fasting? 
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Does anyone know anything about anemia and fasting? Is it safe to fast if anemic?
I am obese and was diagnosed with iron deficiency anemia. The doctor gave me iron supplements to take.
Should I still take my iron supplements while fasting?
I want to do a fast now because things are slow for me and this fall I may be too busy.
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t123,
I suggest you read this carefully..................
"Fasting for only one week will increase the number of red cells in an anemic person. Medical and laboratory experimenters have conducted all their experiments on healthy men and animals, hence they have not been permitted to observe the regenerating effects of fasting upon the blood. Their statement that "human blood is relatively resistant during fasting" is true, but it does not tell the whole truth. Their statement that "there is a tendency to increase in the red cell count" is also true, but even this does not tell the whole truth.
That the body possesses considerable iron reserve, even in pernicious anemia, is shown by the great and rapid blood regeneration and great increase in hemoglobin and red cells during a fast in these cases. During the fast, the iron liberated by the breaking down of tissue is retained in the body and is not thrown away. Considerable iron and proportionately other necessary elements are consumed during the fast, although the body stores much of its iron in the spleen, liver, marrow cells and in the increased number of red blood cells".........................
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch7.htm
In other words it is totally safe to fast with iron-deficiency and is remedial, but you must rest throughout.
The problem lies with absorption rather than a lack of iron in the diet and where fasting will correct this.
Only fast for 7 to 10 days though, where the red-blood cell count will have increased sufficiently for your diet to take over.
I would discontinue with your iron supplements while fasting as they are going to be of no benefit: in fact could be the opposite.
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,640,725oh great! thanks for all the information. I'm starting my fast today, thinking of fasting for 2 weeks. I have a lot of time off so I can rest if I need to.
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This is a reply to # 1,640,725Hi Chris,
It would be interesting to see the quality of those *raised* red blood cells because they could also be defunct red cells getting flushed out of the tissues and organs during the fast. They might also be healthy red cells (made prior to the fast) and being released from storage.
Chris do you know whether this raised rbc a constant throughout the fast or just in the early stages? Because somehow I can't see a fasting body 'raising' it's rbc before utilizing it's plentiful energy saving reserves.
Could you perhaps direct me to any links you might have that confirm that the raised rb count was not the result of the above functions but was the result of the fasting body *raising* it's level of normal turnover. Especially any data on whether this new raised level remained to the end of a lengthy fast?
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Hello NutNut,
There are Primary anemias where the cause is a serious pathology in some of the organs of the body.
They include..........
#1. Chlorosis.
#2. Pernicious Anemia (Progressive pernicious anemia)
#3. Aplastic Anemia
In all of the above this was the experience of George Weger MD; William Howard Hay MD; and Victor B Fleming MB at the John H Tilden MD Health School and Herbert Shelton .............
Care of the Patient: Weger adds: "This state is not due to lack of food. To the contrary, too much food and food of the wrong kind is generally the chief cause................
(We have records of cases and later reports from patients who were treated ten or more years ago by a preliminary fast for the purpose of freeing the system of toxic waste. These patients are still alive, well, and efficiently carrying on their work. Such results were accomplished without feeding liver or using iron or other drugs.")
In the paper quoted from above Fleming says: "What did we do for them? (pernicious anemia cases). If a case was not too weak, a fast was undertaken for at least ten days. During the fast there was an increase in the blood-count of several hundred thousands. This always occurred during a fast in any case of anemia. By the fast toxemia is partly eliminated, and the source of blood-destruction is reduced. The bone-marrow is rested, and also relieved of toxemia, and stimulated to activity once the source of poison (toxemia) is removed, contrary to the stimulation of transfusions, X-rays, drugs, etc., which ends in greater enervation."
These experiences coincide with that of Hay and of the present writer. Rest, fasting, sun bathing and a corrected mode of life accomplish the seemingly impossible in these cases.
Arsenic and iron are useless in pernicious anemia, and can only produce and cause more poisoning and enervation, as they only 'stimulate' and then enervate. Experiments on anemic rats with diets containing drug IRON, food ash containing IRON, flour to which copper had been added, etc., showed that by no kind of trick or makeshift diet could the anemia be overcome. The rats had to have real foods from Nature's own food laboratory — the plant kingdom — in order to recover."
In addition Fleming writes..............
"Victor P. Fleming, M.B., writing of the care of pernicious anemia at the Tilden Health School, says: "Seventy-five per cent of our cases recovered, and they represented the extreme type; that is, the condition had existed for from one to three years, and the blood-count was as low as 2,000,000 red blood-cells on an average. There is no doubt in my mind that practically all these cases could recover if attended to at the beginning of the development of this disease. The deaths which represent the 25 per cent, occurred within a few days of admission to the institution. These cases were so far gone that nothing could be done, and no treatment, was attempted, as they were dying when admitted."
George Weger MD says: "The only cases of pernicious anemia that fail to respond favorably to hygienic methods "are those in which the heart muscle has degenerated and in which a general dropsical condition has existed for a long time, accompanied (as is often the case) by cerebral manifestations or mania and profound hemolytic jaundice. These advanced symptoms indicate that the organism has passed beyond the power of recuperation because of nutritional devitalization."
There is an anemia referred to as "Secondary Anemia" which is not relevant in this thread as we are referring to Iron-deficient anemia.
BLOOD CHANGES DURING A FAST.
"Dr. Rabagliati pointed out that the first effect of the fast is to increase the number of red blood corpuscles, but if persisted in sufficiently long, decrease them.
The increase of erethrocytes, during the early part of the fast, he regarded as due to improved nutrition resulting from a cessation of overeating. This increase in red blood cells has been repeatedly noted in anemia. The decrease is seen only after the starvation period is reached".
AND........
"Wm. H. Hay, M.D., in his Health Via Diet tells of caring for 101 cases of progressive pernicious anemia, during twenty-one years by fasting, correct diet and colonic irrigation. Of these 101 cases he says that 8 failed of initial recovery. Part of the recoveries were made permanent by right living. Some of those who relapsed resorted once more to the fast and again recovered.........
..........The first 13 cases of progressive pernicious anemia which Dr. Hay placed upon a fast recovered in from two weeks to longer. The fourteenth case, being in a dying condition when she arrived, did not recover. Dr. Hay says: "The blood during a fast undergoes no visible changes as to cell count unless markedly abnormal when the fast is begun in which case there is a return to normal."
******("For most of two weeks (in progressive pernicious anemia) the red, erethrocyte, count continues to fall before there is a regeneration in the blood-making organs; then gradually the microscopic picture begins to show round erethrocytes with regular edges, no crenations or irregularities, and soon there is a noticeable increase in number of these with gradual disappearance of the adventitious cells present in the beginning)*********.
"Not unusually there is a gain during the succeeding two weeks that brings the total back to the normal five million erethrocyte count, even though this may have been at, or below, one million in the beginning.
Chemical and Organic Changes During Fasting
CHAPTER VII of Volume III THE HYGIENIC SYSTEM
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch7.htm
CONCLUSION...................
It has been seen from the above that even in severe cases of "pernicious anemia" and "primary anemias" with a pathological cause, people survive and go on to lead normal lives for decades beyond the initial diagnosis, and with no recurrence of the disease or the symptoms related to it. Right-living (as Shelton called it) prevented any further relapse.
This would not be possible if the changes within the blood, and the pathological conditions that led to primary anemias, were only of a temporary and malformed nature.
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This is a reply to # 1,641,170Hi Chris,
Thanks for sending what all those people 'say'. But alas I was unable to verify the authenticity of any recorded blood tests there.
My main concern is that people be reminded here that as beneficial as fasting is, it's not a cure all and anyone preparing to fast in order to cure or lessen a metabolic, hormonal or organ disorder would be wise to ascertain (as best as possible) it's probable or possible origin *before* embarking on a lengthy fast which may just exasperate it further. Detoxing is one thing curing an illness is another. It's not something to be gung-ho about if you have an underlying disorder.
I'm also concerned that the normal haemoconcentration that occurs during fasting not be being mistaken for a beneficially raised red cell production caused by fasting. Because it is not. Although there is every reason to 'believe' (and that is all we can do without access to verifiable blood tests) and from the evidence of our own energy levels after fasting, that fasting can improve nutrient absorption. But this will not be the case for all fasters.
I recall one MS faster on Curezone who after a lengthy fast never returned to give us the good news. One would expect he would have yelled it from the mountain tops ...if it had worked.
Yes there is a lot of evidence that faulty nutrition can cause or exasperate an illness, but it's also sensible to remind fasters that no amount of nutrition, medical treatment or fasting has (as yet - although they are working on it) been able to replace or repair deleted, mutated or trans-located genes which may be the underlying cause of their particular malabsorption.
This is why I am suggesting to anyone (with an illness) planning to embark on a lengthy fast, to not just depend on advise given here, but have it's cause diagnosed to the best of your ability and then educate yoursself as much as possible about it as so as to know better what to expect during your lengthy and probably unsupervised fast. We are, after all, here to help each other experience a safe, well informed and healing fast.
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Hello NutNut,
if you are looking for verifiable proof such as blood tests, then you will be hard-pressed to find any, although Shelton did have his own Laboratory in monitoring his patients undergoing fasts. Science has had little interest in most alternatives, and especially concerning the fast, as monetary reward/gain is severely limited.
This was the also the opinion of Dr Johanna Budwig concerning her successful anti-cancer protocol.
Bear in mind the reason Curezone exists in the first instance: the failure of Mainstream in the cure of chronic disease, and where the symptoms of those diseases are largely managed in the pursuit of "repeat-business".
Most forums rely on the authenticated records of qualified health professionals dating from over a century and a half ago, and where testimonials were the "norm" in the absence of Scientific scrutiny. No double-blind trials here, or even the need for any.
Fasting is as close to a panacea as there ever will be: "If the disease cannot be cured by fasting then it cannot be cured"......an old German proverb.
There are very few contraindications to fasting as with eating, and where the main one is the "fear of fasting", so if someone embarks on a protracted fast in the remedy for their ailment, when most all else has failed them, then so be it.
However, the general advice given here is to ensure that before a fast is undertaken, the faster is adequately knowledgeable about their undertaking, and the questions asked on the forum are a shortcut to their answers from people (like myself) who are extremely experienced and knowledgeable about the process.
Your comment that "Detoxing is one thing curing an illness is another" reveals your limited knowledge of the fast and the fasting process: fasting is not just about detoxing, it is also about the main task of the body: self-healing.
If you understood that the basic cause of disease is a result of enervation and resultant toxemia, then you probably wouldn't make such comments.
No one is being "gung-ho" (as you put it) about underlying disorders, but we do rely on the repeated successes in most all disease of those health professionals who support us now, or have gone before us.
It is true that fasting is not for everyone, but it is Natures very own remedy dating back to the times of Hippocrates and Paracelsus.
The Heamoconcentration (an increase in the concentration of red blood cells in the circulating blood) that you refer to, and the Hygienic records and testimonials of Anemic patients generally, whether of a Primary or Secondary cause, is of a permanent nature that addresses the true cause of the physiology, and not a temporary measure that you have suggested.
This was born out of the testimonials and experience of Natural Hygienic Doctors of years past.
A suggestion here would be for the poster to undergo a fast of up to 10 to 12 days or so, followed by a plant-based diet, whilst simultaneously having mainstream tests, with a follow-up within the months and years ahead.
This will prove my point to the doubting-Thomas's.
The MS faster that you refer to was probably in a more advanced stage, and where the fasts limitations are only that of the body and the progress of the disease. When ankylosing has developed to a certain point, no hope is left even though some improvement can be made. Hygienic records state that if MS is caught early enough, a full and permanent recovery is made from the true cause.
If a disease is not explainable, the Mainstream explanation is usually either down to Genes or viruses. Most all malabsorption problems can be resolved via water-only fasting, and this includes a perceived B12 deficiency.
Your last paragraph offers sound advice: seek an accurate diagnosis of your malady from a professional Doctor, and this usually lies mostly within Mainstream Medicine who usually excel at this; but then consider a viable and more permanent alternative which will mostly address the true cause of their malady and not just suppress symptoms.
Advice given here is both accurate and reliable.
Natural Hygiene also discovered this truism over 150 years ago.
Chrisb1.- and into the NH life path chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,641,389Chris,
I am more and more convinced that a well-conducted Water Fast would be the thing to turn my mother's health around. esp. as I read ( and am reminded of) all of the following about vit. B12, and its relationship to B6, vitamin E and so on.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=107
Now I think I can see why my mother craves meat--and can imagine she doesn't really assimilate what she's looking for, in the meat.
Now I understand more fully also, why my health gets better and better--
fixing the terrain. That's number one. And in with that, the healing of the entire alimentary tract. This would likely resolve such interconnected issues as low-HCL, and poor assimilation. On the other hand, or perhaps hand-in-glove, what's better for a body with low HCL than fruit? This is the easy way to get vitamins and minerals; pre-digested, in effect.
Number two, the right food, introduced properly.
In my diet -for these past few years- I include kelp, blackstrap molasses, lots of lemon, and nettles--and these things are like my 'super foods'--along with the kombucha, and cultured vegetables: which is a nice way to get high-density, raw and probiotic nutrition where you don't have to eat much, and can enjoy it with some rice---Cultured brocolli is esp. good. In the winter, I feel the need for more grains. Quinoa is good also. In summer I pretty much could live on fruits and vegetables (+ nuts and seeds).- Re: and into the NH life path chrisb1
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Chiron,
I forget your Mothers health history at the moment, but if she has low HCL then a water-only fast would indeed be an ideal solution. This will give her digestive organs a complete rest and allow them to recuperate.
The question is whether she will agree to undergo one and for what length of time? Convincing anyone of the benefits can be frustrating.
Fruit is the next best option as (as you have said) it is a predigested food and is the least taxing (energy-wise) of any foods.
Could you get her to see someone like Dr Alan Goldhamer or Dr Fuhrman perhaps? with the addition of some current fasting literature from either of them?
Chrisb1.- Re: and into the NH life path--Chris... chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,641,846thanks Chris! sorry,I missed this post from you. I'm not sure if I can get her to see someone who's water fasting-positive. My sister tells me she has really good health care down in Mexico, with no wait (such as we have up here). I'll have to check it out. I'm told she's slowly getting better--with vit B shots and iron. This is very good news. And still on fruit and yogurt... mainly. And losing wight. (she was overweight)
Now, my partner seems to be struggling. :-( I know we talked about this before, but I'm a bit scattered right now; feeling a little overwhelmed, and can't find the post. Could you please repeat for me some of what I know you suggested before.
A thumbnail sketch of where he's at:
you might recall me saying he exhibits some signs of MS but whatever his 'condition' is, it's not MS, according to the MS markers. He has sleep apnea (and maybe his main issue is low oxygen; low circulation, tiredness...)The last few days he feels very strange. He can't really describe it to me, excpet that it's soemthing new, he says he feels near exhaustion. Like perhaps nervous exhaustion, as though, if something shocking happened, he might collapse. We did have a minor earthquake a few days ago, and it was a bit jangling. And we are both concerned over older parents, as well as -big time- over the suffering in the Gulf...
He's always had the idea that he might be like those people who, as soon as they take a vacation, just up and die. He works hard, too hard; and is now worried that the body seems to be giving out. But once that cycle gets to be a habit, it's not easy to stop, suddenly. Anyway, he's ready to see a doctor, has called for an appointment, but I really want to be able to direct the doctor as to what tests to run--otherwise, it's a useless thing that takes ages, and ages more for tests, and then, an appointment with the specialist of the moment. They don't seem to have a clue what to do with him. He's had MRI's -which really wipe him out, and I'm not even sure what they ever found, if anything.
my thoughts/questions are:
low vit. Bs ?
possible problems with assimilation (since we take kombuxha, etc.)
vit. D issues?
Maybe the vit. D3 'shift' or whatever the body does with vit. D is not functional in him.
(I don't understand all this--but it feels like it might be an issue.
Could you post please, the names of any tests you feel apply? He's feeling too lousy, and I need to get things straight, for him.
thank you, Chris
Chiron
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Chiron,
yes, I missed your post, so sorry for the delay.
Your mother is on fruit and yogurt mainly, but it would be more ideal if she could combine her foods properly which will help enormously with digestive issues and absorption/assimilation and eventually negate any reason to have iron and B shots.
Repeat what I suggested before for your partner? am having trouble finding it myself.....but........
Signs of MS though not MS.
Sleep apnea with low-oxygen, low-circulation, tiredness and near exhaustion with possible nervous exhaustion
I think I said that his workload should be reduced because if there is more energy "going-out" than "coming-in", it is no wonder he is reacting and feeling the way he is. Overwork is a cause of enervation and the root cause of ill-health.
Good news he has agreed to see a Doctor.
They will probably order blood tests and a complete blood analysis would be the ideal.
These tests will fall under................
#1. Biochemistry - the measurement of the chemical substances carried by the blood: these include Liver function tests and a Lipid Profile.
#2. Hematology - the measurement of various aspects of the cells of the blood and include a Full blood count: white cell count, red cell count, Hemoglobin, and Platelets.
These tests look at the health of your blood AND immune system, as well as the ability of the cells to carry oxygen.
I would also include a Vitamin D3 blood test and where you will probably have to request this, known as a 25 Hydroxy- Vitamin D test, which is the most accurate way to measure how much vitamin D is in your body.
He could well be Vitamin D deficient, as are many many people, and has a very strong bearing on his Immune status and overall health.
Read this................................
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=another-reason-vitamin-d-i...
Once a complete blood analysis has been done, only then can any further progress be made by the process of elimination of possible causes.
Let me know what they are "exactly" to proceed further.
Best wishes.
Chrisb1.
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I will always be looking for verifiable proof Chris, for as long as human beings are more preoccupied with their own agendas than double checking the records to (for example) ensure their planet does not drown in oil.
Therefore that I will have to agree to disagree with much of what you wrote and in particular:
"The Haemoconcentration (an increase in the concentration of red blood cells in the circulating blood) that you refer to ... ... is of a permanent nature that addresses the true cause of the physiology, and not a temporary measure that you have suggested."
A double check of the definition of Haemoconcentration will confirm that it is most definitely a temporary measure and an undesirable one since it relates to the viscosity of the blood due and in the case of fasting, to dehydration. So that comment for one, simply does not make sense.
Kindest regards
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NutNut ,
not entirely sure what u mean by: "human beings are more preoccupied with their own agendas than double checking the records".
I am assuming you mean my own agenda: whatever that may be in your own opinion? but I can tell you it is based on altruism and humanitarianism.
Absolutely, we should always be looking for "verifiable proof" so if you count the number of people who have been helped and mostly cured of their "incurable diseases" by water-only-fasting, and after being the rounds of Mainstream already, they number into the hundreds of thousands if not millions.
This is a democratic forum so you may disagree all you wish, but that does not alter the facts of the matter.
I believe you brought the word "Haemoconcentration" into the equation, but I used it as an illustration of the ability of the body to self-heal by raising the blood count into normal levels, which is brought about by reduced plasma levels and dehydration.
However, (and in contrast) the fast does not result in reduced plasma levels, or dehydration, unless done so voluntarily and where the raised blood counts are of a permanent nature.
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To illustrate.........
"Wm. H. Hay, M.D., in his Health Via Diet tells of caring for 101 cases of progressive pernicious anemia, during twenty-one years by fasting, correct diet and colonic irrigation. Of these 101 cases he says that 8 failed of initial recovery. Part of the recoveries were made permanent by right living. Some of those who relapsed resorted once more to the fast and again recovered.....................
........................The first 13 cases of progressive pernicious anemia which Dr. Hay placed upon a fast recovered in from two weeks to longer. The fourteenth case, being in a dying condition when she arrived, did not recover. Dr. Hay says: "The blood during a fast undergoes no visible changes as to cell count unless markedly abnormal when the fast is begun in which case there is a return to normal." * * * "For most of two weeks (in progressive pernicious anemia) the red, erethrocyte, count continues to fall before there is a regeneration in the blood-making organs; then gradually the microscopic picture begins to show round erethrocytes with regular edges, no crenations or irregularities, and soon there is a noticeable increase in number of these with gradual disappearance of the adventitious (accidental or acquired; not natural or hereditary) cells present in the beginning".
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It is worthy of note that there are cases on record where in the event of a serious loss of blood through either injury or accident, and where if this loss of blood is stemmed, then the body will make-up this shortfall from its food-reserves with no medical intervention or assistance. This also occurs after menstruating heavily at that time of the month, or after a blood donor has given an eighth of their blood volume.
The body is after all a self-maintaining, self-cleansing, and self-repairing organism, given the ideal conditions and circumstances for this to take place, and where digestive energy is utilized to its maximum in the fasting state to those ends.
If you are looking for absolute proof then I suggest you experiment with your own body as to what the fast may do for you.
I respect your right to disagree and where this is not a debate forum, so best to leave the matter there, and concentrate on more useful and productive pursuits.
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,640,624I know a little about anemia but not in connection to fasting. There can be various reasons why a person is anemic. As Chris suggested it can be an absorption problem, like pernicious anemia . It can also be a bone marrow problem and if so your hemoglobin would not rise very much even with iron tablets. It can also be AIHA (autoimmune hemolytic anemia) where an antibody in one's own immune system is autolyzing red blood cells.
Your doctor would have done a CBC (complete blood count) to determine what was causing your fatigue and then discovered your anemia was probably via your low HGB count. That test should also have your RBC (red blood cell count) and your fe studies, i.e. Iron, Transferrin and Ferritin counts and their saturation levels.
Try to get hold of that test and have another one done to compare. If the iron tablets have done the trick, it's usually just an absorption problem.- Re: Anemia and fasting? t123
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I think it might be a absorption problem because I eat a lot and better than most people I know. Sometimes I eat junk food but a lot of times I eat tofu, vegetables, fruits.
The doctor wants to rule out fibroids of the uterus because that could be causing the iron deficiency. I'm getting checked for that soon.- Re: Anemia and fasting? chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,640,829Isn't there something about tofu interfering with iron? Or am I mistaken? Maybe it does something else that ends up affecting the iron levels...
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This is a reply to # 1,640,624Hi--an excellent message from Chris,
I wish I could convince my mother to Water Fast for 7-10 days; she has recently had a hip replacement and then had an emergency follwing that, involving bleeding ulcers. She lost 4 pints of blood, and is now feeling very weak and anmemic--yet isn't really well enough to eat much. Fasting would so help.
I don't think we realize what a blessing it is, truly, that we are even led to considering a water fast, much less undertaking one. Many will hear about it, even from family memebers and just *not hear*. You can lead a horse to water....
:-(
Along with the fasting (and that's such good news about the correction for anemia!) you might enjoy watching this video.
The body is capable of corrections that are almost instant.
(I have 'tapped along' with this more than once, and felt an immediate energy improvement)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ln9haNsQg
best wishes, Chiron
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This is a reply to # 1,640,898"I don't think we realize what a blessing it is, truly, that we are even led to considering a water fast, much less undertaking one. Many will hear about it, even from family memebers and just *not hear*. You can lead a horse to water...."
AMEN, SISTA!
I stumbled upon WF'ing this Spring, and I am amazed at all the good it does. I will not preach it, though. I get enough flack from people w/ my regular JFs and MCs, i feel that telling them about WFing will only serve to bring me down with all their well-meaning, but misplaced and negative concern.- Re: Anemia and fasting? chirontherainbowbridge
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yup. I hear ya. And I don't preach it--well, except here. :-) Every time I have even mentioned it to my mother, (and said no more, except that my health is good) there is this vacuum of silence. The message is clear--it's unthinkable.
take care, WD
and a very happy solstice to you! -- And everyone reading this.
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14 y
41,041
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