I am curious why some people are allowed to run rampant on these boards with the primary purpose of disrupting discussions and spreading lies about people? Look at the posting history of JustinL:
http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=762&c=0&ob=d&m=JustinL
Some examples of Justin's quotes:
"Like I said earlier plant one seed of doubt and people give up or never try thanks to trolls like you havergerthi!"
"Thanks Mr Barret ! Being called a quack by you or the scumbag Stephan Barret is an Honor!
I love these people who are so vehemant in their case against something yet cannot even bother to undertand the basics of what they are trying to discredit!
Quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack quack,,,,,,"
"Funny how unsurprised I am that your false information imitates the establishment/pharmaceutical industry lies as usual!
"Of course you must realize that the Warburg Institute is bought and paid for by the Rockefeller foundation ??
lol! Of course this probably doesn't mean anything to someone so devoted to the establishment propaganda machine!"
"lol you a complete joke Vulcanel! You really have a problem!"
"This poster is no devout sinner and has no reason to feel that a simple calcium deficiency is the work of hostile demons!"
"You're beginning to babble now Hver ,just like your lapdog poolboy! "
"Oh Another Pharmatroll! Figures! So you can spread your propaganda all you want but I will be here to expose you!"
"We all are convinced you are an enemy of Acid/base Science little man ! No need to go batty on us!"
"Face it Mr Acidman, you don't have a clue so why don't you get a life and pay attention to what's going on in the world instead of trying to shove your establishment lies down people throats !
And this completely asinine thing you have about calcium! What is that, it's like a tic you can't get rid of Hveretard!"
"You can't respond intelligently so you babble on! What a loser!"
"Like I said your show your degree of ignorance every time you open your mouth!"
"I'm not wrong and at least I don't claim to be the EXPERT like the troll who makes these claims and has decided he is the decider on which natural healing protocol is valid here on Curezone ! This is an agenda only a medtroll would declare ! The forum "Truth in Medicine" is little more then double think as the Orwellian name implies"
"Curezones alternative Science enemy will eventually expose himself even to the most gullible! His training would be a waste other wise!"
"You and all the pigs who try to censor this science will not be allowed to do so without being challenged!"
"You are stewed in establishment double speak where lies are truth and death is an acceptable cure and where toxic chemical warfare agents are injected into infants, this is your background havapig and it clings to you like stink on a pig!"
"I don't think you have ever made a post that wasn't pointless grass man! The point of my posts is to defend against the establishment trolls like yourself who have zero interest in the truth but only to promote themselves!
Despite your pathetic efforts to diminish the profound healing effects of Acid/Base theory it flourishes everywhere!
Only in the dark dingy heads of mindless mental sociopaths like hveragurtil and yourself does this forum and its other components not exist!
Flounder in your ignorance fools for everyone knows the joke is on you two!I "
"Thanks for showing your stupidity HV! As you usually do here at Curezone! "
"You sound like you're in an echo chamber babbling like a lunatic!
But the purpose of this thread is to expose the enemies of this alternative protocol. I think you and Hvapill have certainly made it clear that you both fall into that category."
"Oh no Hvergerti is babbling now too!lol!"
"Why do I not find it surprising that Hvergerthi and Corinthian think alike! Corinthian, Curezone's official medical establishment troll, a huge supporter of death jabs for children has faded into the past since Hver come on board! "
"lol Haverturd you been loitering Curezone 24/7 since you found it ,spreading your allopathic lies!
And not very bright either the numbered m*o*o*n is on your side!
It appears you are not doing to well healing anyone on your forum ,no valid testimony only medical propaganda! A lot of svick people over there. lol!
Hvergerthi are you related to Svengali? I thought I recognized you !"
"Take it to the preacher fool! This is a debate forum not a nursery for sick old men and I really don't give a damn what you personally think! Now you and tomi can cry and whine or whatever you need to do to get the attention you both so desperately need but do it in the proper forum!
Same goes for the whiner Hvergerthi, you all are in need of some serious counseling!"
"Just personal trash from a envious worthless medical troll! Anyone takes this seriously needs as much help as these three sick clowns!"
"Get a life bitter old man!"
"Corinthianna you would give up your left testicle ,if you had one , if someone would try to pass off anything you said as a metaphor! Jealousy is your color Cor!"
"At least these people have a life Corinthian, they don't live in their aunts basement with her cats and recycle dog shit for a living like you do!"
"Hvergertghi you are a fake and a phony and you debate like a little child! Now you're playing dumb blonde! Face it you wouldn't make a pimple on MLs arse!"
There are HUNDREDS more examples in his posts. He has repeatedly attacked so many people on these formulas including but not limited to grassman, maya, vulcanel, jchase, corinthian, theobserver, ginab4u........ Justin has turned CZ in to his own perverted bash fest!!!
Justin's consistent attacks on people and CZ itself and disrupting of threads has lead to so much good information being hidden in the debate forums where many people will not go.
Does he really contribute anything useful here? If not then why is he allowed to get away with his actions like a little child throwing tantrums? All it does by allowing this behavior is to promote more of the bad behavior. It is my understanding that Justin has been banned in the past several times, but he just makes a new account and it is back to disruptive business as usual. You don't stop the habit of a child's tantrums by ignoring the tantrums for long periods of time. You nip the problem in the bud from the beginning. Why don't the moderators or the webmaster ban Justin IMMEDIATELY every time he starts calling people names or starting fights in threads. Maybe he will finally get tired of having to come up with new names and IDs to post under and decide to follow the TOS and behave if he wishes to continue posting here?
Isn't it a violation in the terms of service for a forum moderator to reveal a members user number?
Fine I took it out. Funny though how you think the rules do not apply when it benefits you and the rules do apply when it benefits you!!!
whether you like his style or not, Justin is a very gifted writer.
I read all those quotes and couldn't stop laughing.
OK, OK, so now I've made a bunch of enemies...no offense intended!
why? because he disagrees with you?
No, because his quotes speak for themselves. If I did not cut and paste all those posts would have taken up an enormous amount of space on the post. But I posted a link to his posts so EVERYONE, including you can verify what was being said. So why couldn't you take 10 minutes to look at some of the posts to see his posting style of attacks and lies before bothering to post your ludicrous comment?
We have interacted in the past and you have always disagreed with me. So have many other people on CZ. Am I posting a complaint here about you or anyone else that has disagreed with me? Think about it!!!
I think that you could learn a lot if you would just open yourself up to LEARNING rather than constantly pushing what you believe to be true.
You are so full of assumptions that if assumptions were worth anything we could make a fortune off of you!!!
I never claimed to know everything. In fact IF you actually read my posts you would have seen that I stated this in the past, and that we (except for you apparently) are always in a state of learning. That is the difference between ignorance and stupidity. EVERYONE is ignorant because we do now everything. For example I know a lot about science and medicine, but I am ignorant when it comes to cars and computers. Stupidity is merely an unwillingness to learn the truth. This is where it gets tricky though because there are different definitions of evidence. For example I prefer to rely on REAL evidence such as multiple studies using proper known science. You on the other hand rely on assumptions as evidence.
So you keep learning from your assumptions and I will do things my way and keep learning from real science. And since we apparently don't agree we do not have to interact. So why don't you keep your assumptions to yourself and I won't respond to your garbage.
As far as JustinL goes (an all his other names he uses to play with), I see him as comic relief.
Its hardly comic relief when you have someone who thinks they have to lie about everyone he dislikes and to go on constant attack campaigns.
Now more important, I have suggested that Hveragerthi have a link to his website where he can host all the studies he uses to back up his claims so everyone can cross reference them.
And we went over all this and discussed your game playing. I see you are still at the games. You are only telling a small fraction of the whole story in another attempt to mislead people. The REAL problem is that you keep trying to turn the proof of burden on to others. You make wild, unsubstantiated claims then tell everyone else to go find all the studies to PROVE YOU WRONG. Sorry, but that is not my job, nor the job of anyone else here. And I don't have the time or energy to play your games with you. As I told you evidence goes BOTH WAYS!!!! IF you had the evidence to back your claims then you would have posted it. The fact you have no evidence you put the burden of proof on others to try and prove you wrong, but then you will just ignore the evidence. I have dealt with game players like you for well over a decade and I have seen this same pattern over and over. So again, if you want evidence then post evidence to your own claims and stop playing games. If you read my other posts you will see that I have backed up many of my posts with solid evidence. So I know you could do the same IF you had any evidence. So stop with your games. They were not fun when you began them and they are not going to become fun at any point.
I am also no stranger to scientific data and papers although I won't wave degrees or qualifications.
Nobody asked you to wave any degrees. I merely asked you to back your claims with evidence since you require the same of me. But you just keep trying to put the burden of proof on me. If you have any type of real scientific background you would have known that this is not how things work. It would be as if you were at work and you claimed "all dinosaurs were purple just like Barney is". "Now everyone prove me wrong!"
The rest of your post is even less relevant so I won't waste my time addressing it.
Show me where I ever engaged in this kind of thinking...
"all dinosaurs were purple just like Barney is". "Now everyone prove me wrong!"
Anyone that has actually read my posts knows this is very untrue.
Do you have me confused with someone else?
I cannot believe that after the number of times I have explained this to you that you still don't get it. I just went round and round with you the other day over your doing this EXACT thing. Making claims then trying to get me to post the studies to prove your claims were wrong. Why don't you post the studies to prove your claims are right instead of playing games?
I can post studies to back what I am saying, so why can't you? Do you need someone to show you how to look for studies and to understand them? Here let me show you some examples of how it is done:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1458521#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1486817#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1534261#i
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http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1531519#i
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http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1454181#i
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1486795#i
See how easy it is to do. Now let's see if you can start posting evidence to your claims rather than playing your prove me wrong games.
if I had a clue as to what "proper known science" is, perhaps I could understand a bit more...what is "proper known science"? clue me in?
If you have to ask then you have already proven my point. Thanks.
I was wondering though why you decided to become so nasty right off the bat. I thought maybe you were also a ML supporter. But I see the vast majority of your posts are on the iodine forum, which explains why you OVERREACTED so bad to the article I posted about the link between iodine causing acne in some individuals. Come to think of it this is when you really started being nasty towards me.
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1583160#i
Apparently you feel that if anyone is to say anything about iodine, especially adverse effects, that we have to clear it through you first. Sorry, but you are not that special. Especially when you did not even bother to research the subject to find out that not only is it not outdated, but this side effect has been verified by other research. So what was it that you were saying earlier about learning? Looks like you could use a good dose of your own advice!!!
Holy smokin wow, that must have taken lots of e-fkn timen n effort to put together., then again, you younger folk can put us older folk to shame with the cut and paste skills.
Yes, it took a very long time to research all the references and put them together. But I do this because I work with alternative medicines for a living as well as lecture and teach classes on the subject. So I am not going to repeat garbage such as liver flushes get rid of gallstones just because I read it on a website or in a book somewhere. I am constantly researching how the body works, how various therapies work, what is bogus crap being repeated, etc.
And as I have shown claims can be backed with real research. But those that cannot do this simply respond with games and insults to obscure the fact that their claims lack any real evidence.