Where does ML come up with this bogus garbarge?!!!
Hi Ya'll,
Some Claim we should not eat anything that will Neutralize our stomach Acids?
Which is TRUE!!! There are very good reasons that God gave us stomach acid. But some falsely think they are smarter than God!!!
Maybe we need to ask ourself just how much Common Sense may be Lacking in this idea?
If someone was thinking then they would know why maintaining stomach acid is so important.
Let us ask ourself Where our Stomach Acids come from in the 1st place?
Specialized cells in the stomach wall.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
See the answer above since you don't know.
So we have something in our body that is supposed to produce stomach Acids upon Demand to react against the Alkaline Minerals that we may take in as food?
ROTFLMAO!!!! That is not the reason stomach acid is formed. Do you even have the slightest clue of how the body works? Stomach acid is present to 1. Help protect the body from pathogens that would otherwise enter through the digestive system. Many pathogenic bacteria, such as E. coli and H. pylori THRIVE in an alkaline environment. This is why E. coli lives in the alkaline environment of the intestines. And H. pylori secretes ammonia to neutralize the stomach acid to protect itself. Reducing stomach acid just makes it that much easier for these pathogens to set up shop in the body where they DO NOT belong. 2. To allow for the absorption of minerals as non-chelated minerals are reacted with the acid to convert them in to absorbable salts. 3. To reduce acid reflux, which results from the lack of stomach acid. Lack of stomach acid leads to fermentation by yeast overgrowth in the stomach and fermentation of foods not being digested properly. The resultant gas formation builds up in the stomach and is eventually rapidly released up the esophagus carrying traces of acid with it. 4. To allow for the proper digestion of proteins. The digestive enzyme pepsin cannot work without sufficient levels of hydrochloric acid (stomach acid). If the proteins are not broken down properly the intact proteins can enter the bloodstream forming antigens that can lead to serious, and even life threatening allergic reactions. 5. Absorption of vitamins. The B vitamins in particular are ACID-DEPENDENT for absorption. Stomach acid levels decline with age naturally, which is why deficiencies of B6, B12 and folate are so common in the elderly. 6. Conversion of silica to orthosilicic acid for use by the body. Silica is essential for the formation of collagen, elastin, and chondroitin. Without sufficient silica we develop numerous conditions including osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, heart disease, emphysema, diverticulitis, etc. Even wrinkles and cellulite can result from a loss of silica leading to a reduction of the structural proteins collagen and elastin. In order for silica to be absorbed and utilized it must first be converted in to orthosilicic acid. This occurs from a reaction between silica and water, but the process is greatly enhanced by the presence of an acid. The primary acid for this conversion is stomach acid. As I mentioned before stomach acid DECLINES with age. This leads to a drop in the conversion of silica in to orthosilicic acid, and therefore a loss of collagen, elastin, and chondroitin production as we age. Now go back and look at the symptoms of the loss of these structural proteins. Notice how these are not seen in younger people, but common in the elderly. So why do we see this in the elderly? Because the lack of stomach acid interferes with the absorption of nutrients needed for the production of structural proteins. These nutrients include silica, zinc, copper and amino acids. So if you want to speed up the production of "age-related disorders" go ahead and neutralize your stomach acid.
As most of the minerals we intake are from plants, and therefore naturally chelated, they have LITTLE effect on stomach acid. So stomach acid is not formed for the sole purpose of dealing with alkaline minerals. Calcium carbonate for example is alkaline. So how many of you are willing to take a Tums with every meal? And if you do this do you really think you are going to be healthy?
To makes things worse the same nutrients needed to form stomach acid are acid dependant for absorption. Therefore the lack of stomach acid leads to further declines in stomach acid, leading to less absorption of stomach acid forming nutrients, leading to less stomach acid formation......... It is a vicious cycle downhill once you get it started.
How else would we be able to eat foods that contained Alkaline Minerals and be able to Digest these without more Stomach Acids being Produced each time we decided to eat?????????????
Oh that's right, you don't understand basic chemistry either. Acids in our foods help with the absorption of non-chelated minerals. And in younger people they produce enough stomach acid to deal with any non-chelated minerals that they may encounter, such as from water sources. Since most of the minerals should come from plants in our diet, and those minerals are naturally chelated (not in an alkaline form) we have little to worry about from getting our minerals from plants like we should get them.
If this were not so we would Never have any more stomach Acids after eating foods with Alkaline Minerals which had reacted against these Acids and Neutralized them in the process of Digestion !
Read my explanation above several more times because I seriously doubt that you understand this simple concept yet.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
So, it is the job of certain Organs of our body to produce stomach Acids upon demand to allow Digestion in our Stomach !
Organs? LOL!!! More proof that you don't have a clue how the body works. Try cells, not organs. Out of curiosity what organs do you think produce stomach acid (hydrochloric acid)?
Could this means that if these Organs of our body become Sick and Diseased because of the Lack of needed Alkaline Minerals, then this Organ may Fail to Produce more Stomach Acids on Demand and we then may not be able to Digest anymore foods?
Try again. Still interested in what "organs" you think produce stomach acid. While you are looking up your mistake also look up how the digestive process really works so you will hopefully catch on to why your whole claim is BOGUS!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Now back to this Silly Claim that Hydroxides etc may Neutralize our Stomach Acids and we will not have anymore Stomach Acids !
Silly claim?!!! LOL!!! More proof you do not understand even the basics of chemistry. If you ever took any chemistry, even in 6th grade this is one of the first things you would have learned. Hydroxides (OH) and acids neutralize each other.
Here since you REFUSE to look at the evidence and prefer to rely on misleading information and personal attacks to push your bogus agenda I am posting the proof for all to see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-alkali_reactions
"An acid-alkali reaction is a special case of an acid-base reaction, where the base used is also an alkali. When an acid reacts with an alkali it forms a metal, salt and water. Acid-alkali reactions are also a type of
In general acid-alkali reactions can be simplified to
by omitting spectator ions."
As long as the Organs of our body that are responsible for Producing these Stomach Acids
ROTFLMAO!!! Again, what organs produce stomach acid?
are Healthy, when we ingest Alkaline Minerals of Higher pH, our Stomach Acids may react against these until the Present Stomach Acids have been Neutralized and then the Organs that Produce Stomach Acids shall Produce More Stomach Acids to sent to our Stomach to once again react against any Alkaline Minerals comming into our stomach !
BOGUS ALERT!!!!!! Read the REAL explanation of how things work in my response above.
What may happen if we Lack enough Stomach Acids to react against the amount of Alkaline Minerals we ingest, may be that these foods may go Un-digested thru our body until our Organs that produce Stomach Acids is able to re-supply our Stomach with More Acids !
Again, what organs produce stomach acid? You keep making this bogus claim of organs producing stomach acid. I could use another good laugh though, so what are the organs that produce stomach acid?
How else could we have More Stomach Acids for our Next meal unless this was the case????????????
Learn about how digestion really works. You have yet to get anything right.
Myth Busted !!!!!!!!!!
The only myths that have been busted are your bogus claims that organs produce stomach acid and alkaline minerals do not neutralize stomach acid. Your claims violate the basics of chemistry and anatomy and physiology. As well as common sense.
Edit: Digestion is about the needed Acids and Alkaline Minerals reacting against each other and Releasing their stored Electro-magnetic Energy, which may be what then may Power our body !
More bogus made up garbage.
Too Many Acids are a Bad thing just as Too Many Hydroxides would also be !
Depends on the acids. There are NUMEROUS acids that are not only benefical to the body, but also essential. As with anything though, yes to much can be harmful. Just like too much water or oxygen can kill you. Alkalies though are more dangerous than the acids we get in our diet or that are produced by the body.
This is Why I do not suggest taking Calcium Hydroxide by it's self, but already reacted with weak Acids and bound with Live Carbons to make it close to an Organic Plant Source Calcium !!
First of all "live carbons" is a made up term. People would be better off getting their minerals from plants to begin with so they are not only getting their calcium, but also the NUMEROUS other minerals essential for health. Could this really be so simple? You bet!!!
what is meant by "live carbon" is the point at which, during the carbon cycle, the carbon is utilized in a life process...-grzbear
So plastic is "live carbon"? After all it comes from petroleum, which was once used in the life process. In fact we could apply this same principle to ALL carbon on earth. So all those synthetic fertilizers made from petroleum are live carbons. And all those synthetic vitamins made from petroleum are live carbons. So according to ML eating crude oil, plastic, and synthetic fertilizers and vitamins are going to keep us healthy. I knew there was a good reason I don't listen to his bogus advice.
Actually you have missed the point. I merely pointed out why your definition is as bogus as Moreless' claim of "live carbons". This is his made up term. Carbon is not living, even if it is a part of a living organism. Do we have live oxygen? Nitrogen? Selenium? Copper? Zinc? Sulfur? Hydrogen? Silicon? Sodium? Potassium? Strontium? Fluoride?..........
No, no, no, no, no, no.............
The REAL fact is that just because an atom is a component of a living system this does not make it living itself. And nobody has questioned the fact that carbon is a part of living organisms, so stop confusing what was really said with what you are trying to make it sound like was said.
so you believe we are made up of a bunch of "separate", "dead" parts then?-grzbear
Why do the Moreless followers twist things so much in attempt to make their points?
Is a spark plug a car? Is a piston a car? Is a speedometer a car? No, none of these are a car. But they can be combined with many other parts to make a car. Just like there are many components that are required to make a living cell. This does not make the individual parts living. Only someone with a complete lack of scientific knowledge and common sense would believe that carbon is living just because it was once part of something living. If you want to go with this garbage then I guess fossils are living dinosaurs using the same reasoning!!!
>>"Is a spark plug a car? Is a piston a car? Is a speedometer a car? No, none of these are a car. But they can be combined with many other parts to make a car. Just like there are many components that are required to make a living cell."<<
A "spark plug" has parts...
A "speedometer" has parts...
Very poor examples of individual "parts"... but I think I get the idea.
By making the above statement, you seem to be saying that a human is a "manufactured" machine, a machine made out of "non-living" parts, is that correct? The analogy implies that we are all just a bunch of "assembled" dead parts. Who, or what assembles these "parts" and, how is it done?
>>"Just like there are many components that are required to make a living cell. This does not make the individual parts living."<<
You state that the "cell" is living, but that the parts are "dead" by themselves... so in essence, you seem to understand, at least rudimentarily, that the combined "dead parts" form a "life"...
>>" Only someone with a complete lack of scientific knowledge and common sense would believe that carbon is living just because it was once part of something living."<<
Once again you illustrate that you do not understand the "cycles". I have never stated "that carbon is living just because it was once part of something living."
What I have illustrated is that "carbon" during a particular "phase" of its "cycle" becomes a "part" of something "living". At that point in its "cycle" it is best to describe it, IMO, as a "live" carbon... obviously, not in and of itself "alive" as it is now a part of something greater... life.
What is it about the term "cycle" that you do not understand? I could look up the definition for you if you are unable.
If you prefer to deny that life exists by following your "scientific" logic of detachment away from reality, that is your choice.
I know this is new to you... and obviously others.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/b9ncewfnh2mhhp1m/
http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=%22living+carbon%22+%22carbon+cyc...
I like this phrase... "we are living carbon on a living carbon planet factory"
grz-
I simplified this to a 3rd grade level and you still do not understand this SIMPLE concept!!!
>>"Is a spark plug a car? Is a piston a car? Is a speedometer a car? No, none of these are a car. But they can be combined with many other parts to make a car. Just like there are many components that are required to make a living cell."<<
A "spark plug" has parts...
A "speedometer" has parts...
Very poor examples of individual "parts"... but I think I get the idea.
Actually an excellent set of examples to anyone who can use common sense and has an ability to learn. All you did was to further break down what I pointed out, which just backed my point even more. Want to break it down even more? Is ceramic a spark plug? No. It metal a spark plug? No. Can ceramic and metal be used togehter to make a spark plug? Of course. By the same point that I made and you just verified carbon will not a life form make. It is PART of some life forms when COMBINED with all the other INGREDIENTS NEEDED to make life!!!
>>"Just like there are many components that are required to make a living cell. This does not make the individual parts living."<<
You state that the "cell" is living, but that the parts are "dead" by themselves... so in essence, you seem to understand, at least rudimentarily, that the combined "dead parts" form a "life"...
Which again individual parts do not make a living cell just as a spark plug does not make a car. Although it looks like you may finally be starting to understand this ultra-simple concept
I have never stated "that carbon is living just because it was once part of something living."-grzbear
Want to stick to that lie?: Subject: Re: The TRUTH of Neutralizing our Stomach Acids |
grzbear |
what is meant by "live carbon" is the point at which, during the carbon cycle, the carbon is utilized in a life process...
What is it about the term "cycle" that you do not understand? I could look up the definition for you if you are unable. If you prefer to deny that life exists by following your "scientific" logic of detachment away from reality, that is your choice. I know this is new to you... and obviously others. http://www.springerlink.com/content/b9ncewfnh2mhhp1m/ http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=%22living+carbon%22+%22carbon+cyc...
Word games!!! What all your links are talking about is plant based carbon, which is part of a living SYSTEM. This DOES NOT make carbon itself living. Let me put it this way. Here is a carbon atom: C
Now by the definition of life explain to us how this atom is alive. Not with your made up definitions, but with the actual accepted definition of living.
And as for your comment from a previous post: Are we not carbon based "life" forms? are we not "alive"?-grzbear
The key word is "life" as you seem to be aware of. So is a dead body also living as it cotains the SAME EXACT carbon from a once living system? |
I take it that you don't have a clue what your link said.
Here from ML's post:
There are several things you can do to get vitamins nutrients minerals. There is a protocol drink on the Moreless forum. The ingredients I put in are: I fill a 15oz glass bottle with destilled H2O 1 Tblsp. of Apple Cidar Vinegar 1 Tblsp. of Calcium Hydroxide
So where is the citric acid? Don't try posting evidence that has nothing to do with what you are talking about. It really destroys your credibility.